Hi Ali, See inline replies Best regards/Nio 2014-05-27 12:50, Ali Linx skrev: > > On 05/22/2014 08:56 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote: ... >> 1. It will fit into the current OBI-9w installer. I could strip down the >> 9w packages if necessary to keep the OBI-9w installer within CD size. > > How much the installer usually takes?
Right now the OBI-9w 222 MB (10 base), 211 Mibibytes (2 base alias 1024 base). But it contains a lot of utilities and software, that are not necessary, for example a web browser and several small tools, that can be peeled off, if necessary to keep it within CD size with a fairly large tarball. Say that the tarball can be 500 MB. Then the total size will be 722 MB (10 base), 688 Mibibytes (2 base) According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM a '700 MB CD disk' can store 737.280 MB (10 base), 703.125 Mibibytes (2 base). So without doing anything with the OBI-9w itself, the limit for the tarball is 515 MB (10 base), 491 Mibibytes (2 base). I don't know if some storage space is lost due to overhead data. The tarball can be a bit smaller than the corresponding iso file, depending on the amount of data, that are specific for the live session and on the compression method. >> 2. You might consider meta-packages for different user profiles, and >> offer installing one of them after installation. It should make it easy >> to stay with a CD size iso file whichever installer is used. > > Could you please explain more or provide an example? I'm not sure I > understood this one ... lubuntu-core and lubuntu-desktop are meta packages, that make it easy to install a group of packages with one command. It is possible to use meta-packages or just a command line or script file to install groups of packages for different user profiles, for example multimedia, office, gaming ultra-light, medium-light desktop, laptop, netbook ... The advantage is that the installer will be flexible, the disadvantage is that it will need internet and downloading to make each installation complete. >> 3. Are you considering a text installer (like the Lubuntu alternate >> installer) or a graphical installer (like the Ubuntu family desktop >> installer)? > > Very good Q ... > > I'd say YES for text-based but I'm worried about those who are not > familiar with it. YES, ToriOS is not for everyone and it is basically > not for those super new to GNU/Linux but as long as it is targeting the > low machines, I don't want to give hard time for any user. If we could > make a solid and strong documents/wiki to explain how to install ToriOS > with a text-base installer, then I have no worries in this regard. A text-based installer can be easy to understand. It depends more on the layout than on fancy graphical effects. > Technically, it would be super bad idea if a suer for example wishes to > dual-boot ToriOS with Windows XP or whatever. However, I dislike to > assume. I mean, we should be ready for any possible scenario if you know > what I mean. I guess we must be able to offer dual boot, and we are ... even if we think it is a bad idea with very old computers. > Can the text-based installer handle the dual-boot system the same easy > way the GUI installer does? Well, I think gparted is by far the most user friendly partitioning tool. And it needs a graphical desktop environment. And it is included in the 9w Debian+LXDE based desktop, that is idling at 37 MB RAM and can install without any problems in a computer with 128 MB RAM. > If we shall provide 64-bit, then definitely no need for text-based > installer here. No need, but might work as well. >>> 11- Where are we going to host the ISOs? do we have a host for that? >>> 12- As long as ToriOS is based on Ubuntu, we can test it on Virtual >>> Machine such as OracleVB, correct? >> VirtualBox and other VMs can run other linux distros too. > > Oh okay then :) > You and Israel seem sure about that. > > >>> 13- By any chance, do we need to talk with Ubuntu/Canonical team about >>> our Project? I mean is there any kind of approval or stuff like that we >>> need? I'm talking about the technical side of our project as they should >>> have nothing to do with the other stuff but maybe they do with the >>> technical side, that is why I'm asking and we need to know IMHO. >>> 14- Alpha 1, Alpha 2, Beta 1, Beta 2 and RC? or no need for that? should >>> we just do Alpha, Beta and RC? these are milestones just like what >>> Ubuntu GNOME or Lubuntu are doing when it comes to the development >>> cycle. >> Alpha, Beta, RC and Release versioning > > I see :) > Seems like everyone agress on that but we still need to hear from the devs. > > >> >>> 15- I know it is hard to tell at this point but any idea when ToriOS 1.0 >>> will be available to download and use? I know I'm the one who should >>> announce that but if truth to be told, it is something that our devs >>> should advise for and we haven't yet done anything serious. >> Upload an image of an installed ToriOS system, and I can make an OBI-9w >> iso file within a couple of days (unless when I am travelling during the >> holiday season). It might be oversized for CD, but should work from DVD >> and USB and in VBox and KVM-virt-manager. If oversized we can discuss >> how to make it CD sized ... > > Actually, I was asking about the day of release ... > > As for the installer ... I replied that above :D > > >> >>> Okay, I guess that is all for now ... >>> >>> I have another ideas/Qs to think of loudly with you but that is for >>> another email as these are the non-technical stuff and should be on >>> different email :) >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> -- >>> Ali/amjjawad >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etorios> >>> Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net >>> <mailto:torios@lists.launchpad.net> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etorios> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >>> >>> > > Thank you for your reply and it seems we agreed on the same points :D > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
