Hi again, I've been thinking for sometime now about the list of ToriOS packages. I have some questions:
On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:33 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjja...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:38 PM, Israel <israeld...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 05/27/2018 01:19 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Could someone please provide me with a full list of ToriOS's packages? >> From A to Z. >> >> How and where can I find that?! >> >> Thank you in advance! >> >> >> -- >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." >> >> Best Regards, >> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad> >> >> >> ToriOS Core (non GUI... the functional system stuff... though it includes >> some X11 stuff) >> >> alsa-utils, >> apparmor, >> apt-transport-https, >> bash-completion, >> busybox-static, >> command-not-found, >> consolekit, >> cpio, >> cron, >> dialog, >> discover, >> dnsutils, >> dosfstools, >> ed, >> file, >> ftp, >> ghostscript, >> gsfonts, >> hdparm, >> hfsprogs, >> htop, >> info, >> iptables, >> iputils-tracepath, >> irqbalance, >> laptop-detect, >> less, >> links2, >> linux-base | linux-generic | linux-generic-lts-trusty, >> locate, >> logrotate, >> lshw, >> lsof, >> ltrace, >> lzma, >> man, >> man-db, >> manpages, >> mime-support, >> mlocate, >> mtr-tiny, >> nano, >> net-tools, >> ntfs-3g, >> openssh-client, >> partclone, >> parted, >> pciutils, >> ppp, >> pppconfig, >> pppoeconf, >> psmisc, >> pv, >> python3-software-properties | python-software-properties, >> rsync, >> rtorrent, >> software-properties-common, >> sudo, >> strace, >> tcpdump, >> telnet, >> time, >> ufw, >> upower, >> usbutils, >> uuid-runtime, >> wget, >> wireless-tools, >> x11-xserver-utils, >> xdg-user-dirs, >> xdg-utils, >> xinit, >> xserver-xorg, >> xserver-xorg-core | xserver-xorg-core-lts-trusty, >> zsync >> > *Q.1* Are these the 'under-the-hood' packages that makes ToriOS *The* *ToriOS*? *Q.2* What is the total size of all the above packages?! *Q.3* If we remove one or more of these packages, are we going to be able to run ToriOS? is ToriOS will remain ToriOS after removing one or more of these packages?! *Q.4* If the answer of Q.3 is "Yes, we can!", what package(s) can we get rid of without having bad impact on the system and the user?! *Q.5* While non of the above is GUI package, is there any package of these affects the used RAM? in another word, what package(s) is/are running in the background and need(s) more memory?! We need to remove/stop any extra package that needs more memory. > ToriOS DESKTOP (things you consider apps in *BOLD*) >> >> alsa-utils, >> desktop-file-utils, >> *gdebi*, >> gettext, >> gnome-keyring, >> gksu, >> grub2, >> gxmessage, >> *imagemagick*, >> jwm, >> jwm-menu | jwm-menu-bash, >> * jwm-settings-manager* (>=2.0.0ubuntu1) | torios-jwmrc-script-tools, >> libgtk2.0-bin, >> libpam-gnome-keyring, >> lightdm, >> lightdm-gtk-greeter, >> menu, >> menu-xdg, >> network-manager | wicd, >> * network-manager-gnome* | wicd-gtk, >> *pcmanfm* | thunar | rox-filer | nautilus, >> >> xfce4-power-manager | sdesk | *yad*, >> >> ### We don't use xfce4-power-manager we for the battery indicator we use >> a script + yad. It has a lot of hefty depends! >> >> >> *sakura* | gnome-terminal | xfce4-terminal | lxterminal, >> torios-apthandler | apturl, >> torios-core, >> torios-plymouth | torios-plymouth-text, >> torios-doc, >> volumeicon-alsa | *yad*, >> wpagui, >> * x11-apps*, >> xdg-user-dirs-gtk, >> xkbset, >> *xterm*, >> *xtrlock*, >> xsltproc, >> *zenity* >> > *Q.6* Are the above packages what make ToriOS the visible/GUI ToriOS we all know?! *Q.7* By writing: *pcmanfm* | thunar | rox-filer | nautilus, > Does it mean all the mentioned packages are installed by default?! I'm confused here. I know we have PCManFM but what the other file managers are doing with the list of the default installed packages?! *Q.8* What package can be removed without affecting ToriOS overall?! > >> yad and zenity make up many of our 'apps' and indicators >> >> - volume/power are yad + bash >> >> - logout/shutdown/suspend/hibernate are bash + >> yad/zenity/gxmessage/whatever dialogs >> >> - About Computer/Common Tasks/Update System and >> Coftware/zLocate/zRun/Screenie/Calendar/Search and Install >> Software/Sticky Keys Chooser >> >> Are all bash scripts with a zenity/yad/dialog/etc... frontend GUI >> >> Altogether our scripts are 287.9 KiB in size >> > *Q.9* Which means nothing can be removed? we need them all? *Q.10* I've found some bugs or missing features in the above mentioned list. I think it's better to report that in different email/thread so hopefully we can get rid of that (fix them, maybe) with ToriOS.web so what do you think?! > The x11 apps are 2,166 kB (installed size from `apt show x11-apps` on >> 64bit) >> > *Q.11* Are ALL these applications/packages necessary?! > apt show torios-desktop = Installed-Size: 1,660 kB >> > *Q.12* Are these the same under: ToriOS DESKTOP (things you consider apps in *BOLD*) > list? the one that starts with "alsa-utils" and ends with "zenity"? The x11 apps give us a text editor that is not vi or nano, so it becomes >> much easier to edit files for the user. It also includes a calculator, a >> screen magnifier, and a x11 manual browser. I also has xload. >> >> We decided to go with these smaller packages because it gave us MANY more >> choices and made ToriOS very usable with no major package installs >> > *Q.13* We're talking about the GUI packages here, right? which can be replaced and/or removed but keeping them ALL make ToriOS *The ToriOS*?! > The user can install galculator/gnome-calculator or whatever and >> leafpad/mousepad/pluma/geany/whatever for text files. >> >> We chose not to install some of these other things, because the >> dependency sizes. We get the basic functionality, and a smaller size. >> > Which is all about ToriOS's Philosophy. > That said, I am open to getting rid of basically everything (no settings, >> no extra functionality like calculator/text editor/graphical >> shutdown/restart or software tools.) >> >> We could trim it down even further, no doubt about it. >> > *Q.14* If that possible, I wonder how ToriOS will look like? or, the better question is: how usable the system will be after trimming?! aside from the previous questions - which packages can we remove without affecting the system badly?! *Q.15* Last but not least, how can I play with these packages? if I want to add/remove some to test things myself, how can I do that?! -- >> Regards >> >> Dear Israel and everyone else, > > Thanks a billion for providing the FULL list of ToriOS packages and even > better, it comes with great explanation. Highly appreciate that! > > Now, from the new subject of this email, I guess it shows my real > intention and why I asked about that to begin with. > > ToriOS.web, of course if we approved that, will be the lightweight version > of ToriOS. If everything goes well, this will be a great test for ToriOS > 2.0 or maybe the later versions. I have some other ideas in mind but I > won't share everything at once. I'll do it step by step. > So, to make that even more clear: We're looking for a more lightweight version of ToriOS + a version that is built for browsing the web as the primary/main task beside other stuff users can do. > > I'm so much interested to offer two versions or flavours of ToriOS: > ToriOS > and > ToriOS.web > > The web version/flavour will NOT include some packages. Users have to > install whatever they want. We shall focus on the 'main' packages which > make ToriOS the system we all knew. > I'm just concern about which package can we remove without any harm?! > Also, we need to reduce the menu's entries. > Which is something else. I am not sure what is the right term/word for that? let's say enhancing ToriOS visualization or improving the look and feel of the menu. I was also thinking to maybe get rid of "places" menu and instead of that, we can place an icon for the file manager on the desktop beside the trash. > > Needless to say, ToriOS.web will be shipped with a web browser or maybe > more than just one. > Maybe one browser is enough + a post-install list (I think we call it the common task?) that gives the user more than one browser to choose and install as desired. > > That's the initial plan. > The look and feel of ToriOS.web should be dedicated for browsing the web. A fully working GUI OS (GNU/Linux) but dedicated mainly for browsing the web. > > Oh, and ToriOS.web will be based on Debain so nothing to change in this > regard. > Let's stick with what we have so we can avoid extra testing and wasting more time. > > I'll go through the list very carefully and then send my proposed list. > After that, we can discuss which package can go and which package must stay. > Which is already done on this email. > > Many thanks once more! > > > > As always, thanks a lot! -- Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
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