-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can look in to this, I will look at how to do this and then try and write about it
Paul On 29/03/15 14:26, Nio Wiklund wrote: > Hi Israel and Paul, > > I think most of my replies are to you, Israel, but I'm asking you, > Paul, to add instructions into the ToriOS manual: "How to add > persistence to a ToriOS live system". > > [continuing to reply inline] > > Best regards Nio > > Den 2015-03-29 14:32, Israel skrev: >> On 03/29/2015 12:31 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: >>> ... Hi Israel, >>> >>> I don't think you replied to this mail. Did you get it? What do >>> you think about recommending a persistent live system for this >>> purpose? >>> >>> I really think persistence is the best solution [for the >>> current ToriOS iso file based live system], when people want to >>> download tarballs, and there is not enough RAM, and/or they >>> want to keep what is downloaded, installed or changed in live >>> mode: >> Hi Nio, I am not sure, all these e-mails have the same title, so >> I may have missed it. Did you get my e-mail about dltbl? I am >> not sure you replied to that one yet either. > > I don't think I got a separate mail about dltbl, just the one, that > I replied to (where you also discussed other things), so please > send it again :-) > >>>> I think a persistent live system provides the simplest and >>>> also the most flexible solution. It will automatically >>>> increase the drive space, which is limited by low RAM, and at >>>> the same time make the stored data (in this case tarballs) >>>> survive rebooting and poweroff. >>> -o- >>> >>> Most computers, even twelve year old computers (made 2003), can >>> boot from USB. For these computers a good alternative is to >>> make an installed system with the OBI-installer in ToriOS and >>> create a compressed image file of it, >>> >>> ToriOS-xxx.img.xz >>> >>> Such a system is easily installed with mkusb in linux and with >>> Win32 Disk Imager in Windows >>> >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager/iso2usb >>> >>> The ToriOS compressed image file would correspond to my >>> standard One Button Installer, which comes installed in Lubuntu >>> Trusty when you download >>> >>> http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/dd_images/dd_blank-obi_7.8GB_27_LubuntuTrusty.img.xz >>> >>> >>> The obvious and simple alternative is to provide ToriOS tarballs to be >>> used by the standard One Button Installer. I can prepare and >>> update such tarballs, but please consider a ToriOS-xxx.img.xz >>> file. >>> >>> Best regards Nio >> Many of my computers do not boot from USB, some I can shim with >> GRUB but setting the root to the USB drive, and manually setting >> the linux and initrd files before booting. I wouldn't think an >> img file is as compressed as an xz file. > > My compressed image files *are* compressed with xz :-D > > And mkusb can install from them. In Windows you would have to > expand them with for example 7-zip or winzip before running Win32 > Disk Imager. 7-zip is free (while I think winzip costs money > nowadays). > >> Are you suggesting that we host an img file as well as building >> the ISO with an xz in it? > > Yes, but these are separate. > > A. *The ToriOS iso file should be like it is now* (only software > updates and debugging). > > B. The ToriOS compressed image file corresponds to a tarball, but > the installing tool is mkusb, not the OBI. > > 1. *The OBI is installed in a ToriOS installed system* > (corresponding to the standard One Button Installer). > > 2. *A ToriOS ready-made installed system* , I would prefer to > deliver it with OEM (can be done if openbox is installed for that > purpose). > > Maybe we could make your script replacing OEM work also inside an > installed system, for example if it boots into a text screen as > root the first time. After running your script, the user is created > and the original user is wiped, 'booting to root' is wiped and > everything is set up to boot into the ToriOS desktop environment. > >> I do think persistence would be very nice for being able to >> download tarballs. > > And it is easy to do it :-D > > @ Paul: > > I suggest that you add the instructions into the ToriOS manual. > >> But couldn't we also do something similar to what I suggested in >> the dltbl e-mail of offereing to save to an external USB, or a >> separate USB partition, etc... > > Yes, we can, but it would only be marginally easier for the user, > if easier at all. With persistence, the user need not select the > storage drive, it will be used automatically. > >> perhaps mkusb could even add a partition for the remaining >> freespace? > > No - mkusb only [wipes the target or] copies the iso file or image > file. No more, no less. > >> Either way, I trust your opinions very much and value them. I do >> want to make things easy for our users, and if an img file would >> make it easier, then I agree that we should have one. If it will >> make the ISO too big then we will need to host it separately. > > It should be separate from the ISO file. > >> Will windows disk imager be able to make an ext partition for >> ToriOS? > > No - win32 disk imager only copies the iso file or image file. No > more, no less. > > -o- > > Whatever is in the iso file or image file will be copied. So if > you provide an extra ext partition, it will also be copied by mkusb > and win32 disk imager. Also the bootloader and partition table will > be copied. So it is a bad idea for dual booting ;-) > > If empty, it is better to create such a partition with gparted. > > A home partition can be created. > > An installed system with a GUID partition table can be created > including bios_grub and EFI partitions :-P > > - -- http://www.zleap.net @zleap14 Diaspora : https://joindiaspora.com/u/zleap Documentation lead @ ToriOS http://www.torios.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlUYcVsACgkQaggq1k2FJq3IBgCdGLqtmFJLGsTTkgvtNj2QL9JH gskAnj5HvjF2sg3lC3kmwkmEREJbMySP =LtrK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios-dev Post to : torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios-dev More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
