Just adding a little on to this, when I was in the Navy stationed at a Joint Command, there were certain situations which communications, access to hidden services we ran, and access to the Internet required the use of Tor. When I was attached to a particular Naval Security Command, we conducted communications experiments with Tor under the guidance of a sponsoring Laboratory and a Command that was interested in the technology. I got into relays because of that, but the point is I never realized that there was a dark side of Tor until someone I saw it on the news one day.
I don't feel that Tor should really be tainted with the name "Dark Web" because of all of the positive uses of the technology - from dissidents, to governments, to journalists, to just end users that want to protect their privacy. "Dark Web" has a bad connotation and confuses uninformed users with the true intent of Tor. The actions of a few (a few drug hidden services that are getting shut down, etc.) shouldn't taint the actions of the many. On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Roger Dingledine <a...@torproject.org> wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 07, 2019 at 09:19:11PM -0400, Seth Caldwell wrote: > > I know the dark web can be a terrible place, with content not suitable for > > anyone, basically. Like illegal drug cartel, fake passports/IDs,creepy > > websites, and generally all around messed up stuff. If you feel comfortable > > talking about your experiences. Then, please reply to this Message. > > I'm increasingly realizing that when "threat intelligence" companies > talk about the dark web, they mean anything on the internet that they > think you should be scared of. > > For example, I talk to a growing number of CTOs from these threat > intelligence companies, and the recurring pattern is that they explain > that their marketing people need to say "oooo dark web" to feel like > they're being competitive, but actually almost all of their useful > material comes from watching paste sites like pastebin. > > So increasingly, when I hear somebody breathlessly asking me about all > the spooky stuff on the internet, I wonder what that has to do with Tor, > that is, why they are asking Tor. > > Or taking a step back: when they say dark web, are they talking about > (A) websites on the internet that are reachable via Tor onion services, > (B) websites on the internet that have bad stuff on them, or > (C) websites on the internet that you need to log in to before you can > read the content? > > There was a time a while ago where I think people meant 'A', but nowadays > it seems everybody means 'B' or 'C'. There are a wide variety of websites > in Russia (i.e. that end in .ru) or Malaysia (.my) with all of those > things you mentioned plus more. And of course there is some overlap > between the three categories, but I think the overlap is a lot smaller > than people think, and certainly a lot smaller than the "oooo dark web" > hollywood tv shows want to imply. > > For my most recent discussions about the dark web, and trying to get > some actual facts around it, see minutes 36-44 of the FOSDEM 2019 video: > https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/tor_project/ > > Hope this helps, > --Roger > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- Conrad Rockenhaus https://www.rockenhaus.com Cell: (254) 292-3350 Fax: (254) 875-0459 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
