On 10/15/2014 09:52 PM, Paul Syverson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:26:59PM -0600, Mirimir wrote: >> On 10/15/2014 08:57 PM, Paul Syverson wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 06:15:37PM -0600, Mirimir wrote: >>>> >>>> "Web of Trust" is problematic for those who chose pseudonymity. Over the >>>> years, I've come to trust several pseudonyms based on interactions via >>>> discussion forums and email, signed documents and software, apparent >>>> integrity, and so on. Nobody except me knows mirimir's true name, but >>>> everyone can judge me by what I've said and done. >>>> >>>> Purists want DNA swaps these days, I guess ;) >> >> Well, I meant "swabs", but "swaps" also works (not sexual, data). > > Ah I was reading "DNA swaps" in the sense of the Vincent and Jerome > characters swapping identitities in Gattaca rather than the sense of > swapping credentials to authenticate each other. Hence my amusement.
Got it. And yes, there's no assurance that biometrics can't be hacked. >>> Not sure why a web of trust approach should be considered incompatible >>> with grounding trust in a pseudonym or what you mean by "true name" >>> (some sort of Vinge reference?), but in any case that's the best >>> Freudian typo of the day. >> >> Yes, _True Names_ is an all-time favorite. By "true name", I mean the >> name on my various government-issued IDs. That name is associated with >> my fingerprints and photo, and perhaps even with DNA sequence data. >> >> It's encouraging that you don't consider WOT and pseudonyms necessarily >> incompatible. But then, you helped invent Tor. Some do argue that WOT >> means little without reliable identification, verified face-to-face. > > Depends what you're trying to reliably identify, and let's completely > sidestep the criteria for "reliable" in the various popular > authenticators you cited are. (I disagree with Quine on much, but I do > accept his maxim, "No entity without identity"---although unlike Quine > I would understand both of these stochastically.) Sorry, need sleep > and am straying well into not-torritory. > > -Paul I only know of Quine through Douglas Hofstadter's books. I'm reminded of the thought experiment in _I Am a Strange Loop_ where someone is precisely duplicated. Identical initially, they immediately diverge. In a world where that were possible, what would identity mean? -- tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
