On 10/7/14, Mirimir <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/06/2014 04:43 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> The reason people find problems with Tor is because the importance of >> privacy is hidden in a mystery. Most people don't understand the >> reason Tor exist so, how can they judge it? The problem is that it's >> easier to focus on evil than it is to focus on good. The good Tor >> offers is much weightier than the bad. The good is harder to see >> because it's not as tangible as the bad. For those that understand >> the details behind the importance of privacy, the good is much >> weightier than the bad. This is just a matter of truly understanding >> the problem Tor was designed to handle. Can the people finding >> problems with Tor correctly describe problem Tor was designed to >> handle? > > Some of them understand all too well, I think. What they actually oppose > are freedom and the right to privacy. The "evil users" that they focus > on are just strawmen. They embody the "problem [that] Tor was designed > to handle".
For those opposed to the right to privacy, privacy -is- the problem. There are (gasp) those who would give up liberty (or rather, have others give up their liberty), in order to (attempt to, but ultimately fail to) control so-called liberty abusers. 'Give up freedom for safety, and you will lose both' as the saying goes. Applicable regardless of the right chosen to discuss/think about: speech/ expression, movement/travel, learning/reading, defence/bearing arms, etc etc. Zenaan >> -------- Original Message -------- From: grarpamp >> <[email protected]> Apparently from: >> [email protected] To: >> [email protected] Subject: Re: [tor-talk] How does Tor >> help abuse victims? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:12:09 -0400 >> >>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:39 PM, z9wahqvh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>> On 2014-10-01 13:20, Sebastian G. <bastik.tor> wrote: >>> >>>> the abuser ... he/she (mostly he) >>> >>> Abuse knows no such boundaries, only statistics. >>> >>>> The people I work with are writing about Tor, and so far, the >>>> negatives keep far outweighing the positives, meaning that the >>>> ultimate analysis is likely to draw negative conclusions. >>> >>> That's because that's what they've grown and wish to see and >>> report, particularly in the news for ratings, and in negative >>> politics. Tor and the like are merely tools. As with statistics, >>> sometimes and with some subjects, you will be hard pressed to find >>> the alternative evidence you seek... daylight carries risk to good >>> as well. Yet if you can imagine it, it's there. Blue pill, red >>> pill... free your mind... whole new worlds of usage will open up. >>> That's where the oppurtunity for unique ratings worthy analysis, >>> reporting, and policy making resides. -- Banned for life from Debian, for suggesting Debian's CoC is being swung in our faces a little too vigorously. -- tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
