>Mark McCarron said: >Did no one notice trillions are being drained from the US economy into some unidentified military project for the last decade or more??? >It would seem to indicate that there is a Manhatten-style project underway.
Do you have more details/links about that? Thanks Cheerz http://apx808.blogspot.com On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Mark McCarron <[email protected]> wrote: > I can answer this: > > 1. The IP addresses can be connected to an ISP and physical address > should the need arise. It allows the NSA to "rewind the tape" so to speak. > That is why there has been a push for data retention at ISPs. Given that > in the EU governments are seeking 2 years, it would indicate that the > platform can rewind internet activity for at least that long. > > 2. Tor is a communications platform, the NSA's job is to monitor > communications and intercept military planning that effects either itself > or its partners. Secure global communications and computing is now a > commodity, whereas it was mainly a state-only capability. Thus, the > average user is now coming up against intelligence agencies, rather than > state actors alone. Leaving blind spots would be dangerous to national > security as it provides opportunities for planning and coordination. So, > there is a legitimate case here and no one denies it. The real problem is > that in the absence of a genuine international threat and by that I mean > someone on the scale of Russia/China, these systems are being directed > against groups with limited capabilities. Those groups are now being > defined as national security threats to justify budgets and to filter money > into particular black projects. Revelations by Snowden and other releases > are merely a distraction to where the money is really going. > Did no one notice trillions are being drained from the US economy into > some unidentified military project for the last decade or more??? > > It would seem to indicate that there is a Manhatten-style project underway. > > Regards, > > Mark McCarron > > > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:14:30 +0000 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users. > > > > I have two questions about the recent revelations that the NSA has been > > collecting data about Tor users. > > > > I would like to hear from those with personal knowledge and experience > > such as Jacob, Roger, Mike, etc. > > > > AIUI, from the stories in the German media > > (http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/aktuell/nsa230_page-1.html) and Wired > > (http://www.wired.com/2014/07/nsa-targets-users-of-privacy-services/), > > the NSA has logged the IP of everyone who ever accessed: > > a) a directory server. > > b) an entry node. > > c) bridges.torproject.org > > d) requested an email of bridges. > > e) the tor website itself (except from five eyes countries). > > > > This is viable as the NSA runs the Quantum network which allows it to > > intercept traffic to whichever sites it desires before that traffic > > arrives at its destination. > > > > Two questions: > > > > 1. What would be the purpose of collecting a vast trove of IP > addresses? > > In my case, my IP could be tied to my real name since I send emails via > > SMTP which will contain my IP, email address, real name, etc. That said, > > IP addresses are dynamic. I don't know how easy it would be to identify > > most people via an IP. Of course, one way would be to ask the ISP > > directly. But, whether tied to a real identity or not, what's the point? > > What does it achieve? They also gather the IP address for those who > > access any number of proxy services such as MegaProxy and > > FreeProxies.org. Would they not just end up with a massive database of > > (mostly dynamic) IPs? > > > > 2. What is the attitude that encourages the gathering of this > > information? Is it: because they can? Or do they truly believe that > > anyone who uses Tor is dangerous? Bear in mind that Tor was developed > > and is still funded by the US government. No-one can deny that > > dissidents in unfree countries use it. So, even if you assume that a > > high percentage of users are bad people, what about the dissidents in > > the Middle East or wherever? What is the psychology here? I'm sure > > people like Roger are in regular contact with some government types. > > Perhaps he can shed some light on the motivation? > > > > > > -- > > tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] > > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > -- tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
