> > No. This is a bad idea because then everyone thinks they have the > latest tor, all the time. When people ask for support, they explain > they have the latest tor, when really their version is 3 years out of > date.
Is the issue that leads to this false impression a result of not being aware of the latest version number or because a blog, or whomever that lead the user to Tor, chose to link to specific versions that quickly go out-of-date. Naturally, the correct behavior on the part of the blog would be to link to /download/download-easy.html.*, but is there an alternative way in which Tor's website could encourage better practices? Outlaw's proposal is a legitimate suggestion in this respect... On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Andrew Lewman <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:33:01 +0200 (CEST) > Outlaw <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey there, Tor devs :) IMHO present torproject.org is very difficult > > for average internet user. For those who don`t know english well, it > > is almost impossible to find proper link. > > Hmm, the large purple and orange 'Download tor' button on the index page > was missed? > > We spent three months testing website designs based on real user > feedback and usability testing. The green box and purple download > button were designed to catch your eye first, and testing proves it > works. The testing included barely English-speaking users by design. > > > I think it is the question of resources - to provide multilingual > > website up to date, which Tor team just doesn`t have. So I have two > > suggestions that require minimal effort: > > We had one, and it was mostly out of date and giving incorrect advice > in many languages. See > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6851 for the current > discussion about re-enabling website translations. > > > 1. Easy one. Make a static link like > > "https://torproject.org/download/torbrowser-win-latest.exe"; > > No. This is a bad idea because then everyone thinks they have the > latest tor, all the time. When people ask for support, they explain > they have the latest tor, when really their version is 3 years out of > date. > > Our answer to this is a secure updater, codenamed thandy. See > https://gitweb.torproject.org/thandy.git/blob/HEAD:/specs/thandy-spec.txt > for the details. We just received some funding to implement this over > the next year. > > > 2. A bit harder. Make a page for each language and OS with script that > > starts downloading latest release: > > "http://torproject.org/download/win/de"; for example. Advantage of this > > method will be that you can provide some message, like version or > > other important stuff. > > We have this already. When you click the big download button on the > homepage, you are sent to > https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy.html.en. There are > language drop-downs for the 13 TBB translations. > > > People like one big red button DOWNLOAD and nothing else, > > Consider Tor as a sophisticated as a formula 1 race car. Just because > you have a drivers license and can drive a nice sedan on the street > doesn't mean you can hop into a formula 1 car and even get out of the > pit lane without killing yourself. > > People who don't want to read the warnings, and just want to > download and run, are dangerous. They will de-anonymize themselves. At > best, they disclose they wanted privacy, at worst, they get arrested, > tortured, and killed while their family is blacklisted for life. > > We are working on improving the usability of Tor to help users make > smart decisions. Research takes time and thought. The same process goes > for the website. > > Our website is free software, with the repository located at > https://svn.torproject.org/svn/website/trunk/. Feel free to submit > patches of your ideas to improve the usability of the site. > > Thanks for the feedback. > > -- > Andrew > http://tpo.is/contact > pgp 0x6B4D6475 > _______________________________________________ > tor-talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C. _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
