----- Forwarded message from [email protected] ----- From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:38:54 -0500 To: Liberation Technologies <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Not another Haystack right? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14)
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:44:25AM -0800, [email protected] wrote 15K bytes in 331 lines about: : Andrew: I had a good laugh reading this but I think you have misunderstood : the point of the question. Few of us on this list have any doubts about the I felt a few things coming from the thread, so I figured I would try to address the broader questions. Also, cryptome and others need some new fodder. ;) Without getting into a broader debate on trust, there are a few things that Tor works to provide. We work to gain the trust of individuals. We work to make sure we, and by extension Tor, are trustworthy. Whether it's a political activist having already lived a nightmare, or an abuse victim, or some normal person worried about leaking their medical history to search engines and advertising networks, the first thing they have to do is to trust that say what we do and do what we say. Very few people can read our code and understand our designs and specifications. In many cases, it comes down to person to person interaction or making a judgement call on the text of our website. Or they can outsource that trust to a friend who made the decision for them and just do what the friend does. I get feedback all the time on how we're doing for trust and trustworthiness. The feedback doesn't come in the framing of trust, but rather as feedback about our website, our presentations, our emails, our published docs, etc. Having a website, clear text on the website, clear and consistent communications, and actually being honest seem to be what works. Making claims and backing them up with research and publications seems to help as well. All of these bits seem to add up to more trust from the community and forming a more trustworthy organization. : That's an interesting sociological question that you can't just explain : away by saying "but that's because they trust us!", because it's this very : trust that needs to be explained. Besides, if we do find a good answer to : this question, it will surely help other projects (which, of course, you : may or may not be interested in). I want to help other technologies and projects. I've seen these small projects have a huge impact in the world. We as a libtech community are frequently going up against, or routing around, massive organizations with billions in funding on the other side. There is a large asymmetry. There is no repressiontech list that I know of, because one doesn't need to exist. In my mind, anywhere there is a large asymmetry, there exists opportunity. We've just begun to see the innovation and competition in this space. Why do people trust Google? Apple? others? There are entire MBA courses taught on consumer trust and loyalty. I'm as interested as others in this topic. I'm not sure a rehashing of trust is on-topic for this specific email list. -- Andrew pgp key: 0x74ED336B _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list [email protected] Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org";>leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
