> On 3 Aug 2015, at 22:19 , Ben Serebin <b...@reefsolutions.com> wrote: > > Windows has a very significant percentage of the server market share, and > more attention should be focused on this part of the Tor Server development. > Right now, it’s a very complicated install/config on a Windows OS which is > disappointing and prevents greater adoption (the end goal of Tor is greater > adoption to increase privacy). Windows sysadmin aren’t used to tweaking > config files and the posted documentation isn’t good (repeated requested for > me to update have gone unanswered).
What are the Trac ticket numbers of these documentation change requests? (Or are they on the wiki? Anyone can modify the wiki.) > If donating to the project to promote Tor on Windows existed, I would. Please log a Trac ticket for this - it sounds like an excellent idea. > I have been donating to EFF for many years, but decided more “action” was > needed. I still donate to them. > > Also, I’m a member of EFF, so maybe you didn’t understand my email since I > don’t know what you meant by “throw a shade”. EFF is not related to Tor, so I > think you’re a bit confused on that. EFF is focused on electronic freedoms > (e.g. free speech, fair use, privacy, etc) and they’ve been promoting people > (what I’ve seen in the USA) to adopt and add Tor relays (hence I added Tor > relays (middle + exit). EFF and Tor are not connected. EFF is merely > promoting Tor relay adoption. > > https://www.eff.org/torchallenge/ <https://www.eff.org/torchallenge/> > > -Ben > > From: Magnus Hedemark [mailto:magnus.hedem...@protonmail.ch] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:33 AM > To: Ben Serebin; tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > Subject: Re: [tor-relays] How to Run High Capacity Tor Relays > > I think it's unfair to characterize the Tor community as a Linux club, or > religious about operating systems. There is a whole big world of operating > systems out there, and most (not all) have a very POSIX flavor to them that > makes it pretty easy to generalize advice on running the service. The work > that I'm doing right now is around packaging Tor for OmniOS (and writing doc > around using them together), which is pretty obscure and has no relationship > to Linux. There's definitely software out there that assumes you're building > it on Linux, running it on Linux, but Tor is definitely not one of them. > > Windows is the only really prominent OS that I can think of off the top of my > head that has no significant POSIX flavor to it. Its heritage is more from > DOS and VMS than anything. It's an odd bird for people who otherwise work in > POSIX platforms all of the time. Be thankful Tor runs there at all. > Supporting Windows on a cross-platform app is no small feat. > > Maybe instead of throwing shade at the EFF, take a stab at fixing the problem > yourself? The EFF is not some multi-billion dollar software company, isn't > staffed with an army of engineers and tech writers looking for something to > do. And, if they were, I've got doubts that the cost/benefit analysis on > supporting Windows as a relay platform would turn out in your favor. > > If you're really dedicated to running a big Tor relay, and can't be bothered > to help improve the documentation for Windows relay operators, time to learn > a new tool and maybe not be so religious about running Windows for all the > things? I think I've got 5 different OS's that I'm managing right now. No big > deal. That's the beauty of the other side of the Windows fence. Once you > learn one, it's easy to learn the rest. > > -M > > Sent from ProtonMail <https://protonmail.ch/>, encrypted email based in > Switzerland. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [tor-relays] How to Run High Capacity Tor Relays > Time (GMT): Jul 22 2015 12:14:56 > From: b...@reefsolutions.com <mailto:b...@reefsolutions.com> > To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org <mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org> > > Robert: you're right. The group in general isn't very knowledge about > Windows. I'm a Windows sysadmin and spent a long time deciphering the Tor > documentation on windows and it's poor. Best info was another operator who > posted on the mailing list months ago. I've reached out to the website > maintainers and gotten radio silence on updating the Wiki for Windows. I've > added other things to the wiki though (on exits). I'm a bit perplexed on the > OS religiousness since we need more inclusive for Tor relays. We need a > status of liberty, and the EFF's push isn't enough. > > Sigh.... > -Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: tor-relays [mailto:tor-relays-boun...@lists.torproject.org > <mailto:tor-relays-boun...@lists.torproject.org>] On Behalf Of I > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:29 PM > To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org <mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org> > Subject: Re: [tor-relays] How to Run High Capacity Tor Relays > > Moritz and all, > > I mean no offence to anyone since we're all in this for the greater good, but > really approaching joining the Tor community is pretty hard if you are not a > Linux wiz and know about servers or a number of other things. > > I have tried to look around the multitude of interconnecting links but a lot > are out of sync slightly or are not clear because of presumed knowledge and > understanding or are irrelevant because of evolution > > Wouldn't it be better to be clear and neat in the way Torservers guides are? > Would someone presume the Torproject installation guide was not complete and > know where to look? > > Robert > > > > On 07/22/2015 01:34 AM, I wrote: > >> https://www.torservers.net/wiki/setup/server > >> <https://www.torservers.net/wiki/setup/server> has excellent guidance > >> for setting-up relays seriously. > >> Would those at Torproject think about linking to it from their > >> installation guides? > >> > >> Robert > > > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorExitGuidelines > > <https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorExitGuidelines> > > links to it, as well as to > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorRelaySecurity > > <https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorRelaySecurity> . > > Both these pages could use some overhaul, but they're not too bad. > > > > -- > > Moritz Bartl > > > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org <mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org> > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays> > _______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org <mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org> > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays>_______________________________________________ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays Tim Wilson-Brown (teor) teor2345 at gmail dot com pgp ABFED1AC https://gist.github.com/teor2345/d033b8ce0a99adbc89c5 teor at blah dot im OTR D5BE4EC2 255D7585 F3874930 DB130265 7C9EBBC7
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