-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you don't plan on visiting the US anytime soon, you may do what I do. I remind them where on the map they are, where on the map I am, where their borders are and an illustration of where they can shove it.
It's certainly a point my tactics are crude and may anger some people, but to put it bluntly I am really irritated that they would knowingly send such a thing to a foreign establishment. Nothing screams a self of ownership of the internet like the wording on those documents and when they change it from a demand to a request I may reconsider my own wording - but until then I reserve my own right to conjure up insults for their insult against me. T On 20/04/2015 19:54, Dave Warren wrote: > On 2015-04-20 10:31, Speak Freely wrote: >> A foreign sovereign can command anything to anyone... without a >> reasonable expectation that anyone will follow it. >> >> Even in Canada, I am not obliged to respond to American subpoenas >> unless and until my government commands me to. Only your >> sovereign can command you to do anything. A foreign sovereign has >> zero right to anything outside of it's own purview. > > Keep in mind that if you do respond at all, the US court may claim > to have waived jurisdictional arguments and consented to the > jurisdiction, in which case a court order can be enforced > cross-jurisdictionally in certain cases. Spamhaus learned the hard > way when they hired a US lawyer to represent them and that lawyer > responded incorrectly and enabled the lawsuit to become binding > upon themselves despite the lack of physical presence within the > US. > > While they ultimately prevailed on their appeal to the greatest > degree still available, they were unable to vacate the default > judgement entirely (only the amount), so while they ended up paying > a nominal amount and winning for more useful purposes, they > technically lost the case. Had they failed to appeal or lost the > appeal, the resulting order would have been binding and enforceable > in UK courts because Spamhaus's actions consented to the > plaintiff's choice of jurisdiction. > > On the criminal side, you can also be extradited in certain cases. > Kim Dotcom is still working through the complexities of this > particular situation. > > So I would highly recommend engaging a lawyer to verify that your > actions don't waive any arguments or otherwise consent to anything > that can be enforced across borders. > > (And no, odds of any of this impacting a simple Tor operator are > not very high unless you're otherwise a high profile or high value > target) > - -- Activist, anarchist and a bit of a dreamer. Keybase: https://keybase.io/thomaswhite PGP Keys: https://www.thecthulhu.com/pgp-keys/ Current Fingerprint: BA81 407C BD61 CD15 E5D9 ADA9 5FA2 426F F34E 0FD4 Master Fingerprint: DDEF AB9B 1962 5D09 4264 2558 1F23 39B7 EF10 09F0 Twitter: @CthulhuSec XMPP: thecthulhu at jabber.ccc.de XMPP-OTR: 77E6C8C6 95FDE863 1172A1E1 8C114C01 691398AC -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVNU8uAAoJEF+iQm/zTg/UjBcP/iGt09Di3OELi3cKssxXR6Xf oYUTrrzYKOwGBgFCrr5CIiWZ3TT6RcHnJwll4mE1WZ4rM9QGSxXG0+xapXIYNh6f WQSfEuLeuD72JETIKRQ70Zfo21dY6vmYjGMuL1csYmpMWRf3XGa8azYlRyo1cESZ Wx5wm7GNpvYTyHW/WQHVlU0N5ewMhHdXMHbJaFfSHuaYM8rkF4pkQyqLkIdLTzmt 4LY1kiv64R3o2n4PVOxEjcjQgqkGvQv6RI45/78IGUcDOExwnIhy7O6eFhVXV/BZ PRjxXCdIF/7gN2Rxnp4ITdod19oNYdLe7BTKyrtfHju3daHMvf0OPLo4ec+sIFxy JU3+De613Ajld1f4JgX4AD60OtilVz36tuh4otgYxcrS0xf28+E9puqfwNZAvm0w LKIOsB3AXDesifhSF0vPnCw+DH5JISwTvCn0b2BNfYKIoDpbnKSJSl1ZyW58uB/b ancB5s6sbnXe4dfhhGQlv9Ort8Qk51joqx12kEKnbi2PI2e/3qtFzRfEmlZbocc9 nsNlhZY3ov+9/W3CY7Tnjp0BdA20i0ih9BwLvd8no7vkKwKSdc/FMNXe2ZSjHaok RsPXBdZTJ1rmCnySKL8AhcwkpjsfENfFQZPTldO7FLA4Cxw+CtxwgIMah5fzq19N KBDHdPlYvD826vWzj+5j =n8Wt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
