Hi Roger, Thanks for your answer :) It's funny that you mention dfri.se, because they e-mailed me (and all swedish relay operators i believe) yesterday and I'm lurking in their IRC channel (and #tor) as I write this. I also managed to join the tor-relays list, so I've had a lot to read lately. I'm CC'ing this to them as well, so let's see if it gets to where it's supposed to. :)
Cheers! //Martin 2012/8/14 Roger Dingledine <a...@mit.edu> > (Adding the tor-assistants cc back in -- I'm not so good at handling > mail to me directly, and tor-assistants is a closed list of other Tor > developers, so hopefully it isn't too impolite to add it.) > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:42:03PM +0200, Martin Algö wrote: > > Hello Roger, > > > > My answers first: > > > > - What do you currently pay for hosting/bandwidth, and how much bandwidth > > do you get for that? > > I'm running my relay from home. I have a 100Mbit connection and for that > i > > pay roughly $65 USD (450 SEK). > > > > - Is it a stable hosting situation? For example, how do they handle > > abuse complaints so far? > > So far I've been running my relay for about 18 months. The Tor server > uses > > a total of about 50Mbit constantly in both directions (I limited it > because > > I want some bandwidth for myself as well) and I have not heard a peep > from > > my ISP. It should be noted that my ISP (Bahnhof, Sweden) have been known > > for engaging in discussions about privacy in general and trying to > protect > > their users from things like ACTA/IPRED. They even supply their own > > anonymity VPN service. > > I tried contacting them once to talk about Tor, but whoever at helpdesk > > that got my email didn't know what I was talking about so I gave that up, > > thinking that I shouldnt rock the boat unless necessary. :) > > Great. I wish there were more people like you in Sweden. :) > > > - Is your hosting situation one where it could make sense for us to > > reimburse your bandwidth costs? (Some people have a deal through their > > employer, friend, etc where they don't pay for hosting.) > > Yes. In my case, I use half my bandwidth and so it would make sense to > pay > > me half my connection fee. Something that I would like much more though, > > would be a promise of economic assistance in case of juridical problems. > > The way i see it, I don't give any money to charity, such as Red Cross > etc. > > but I contribute bandwidth for a value of $30-35 every month to help > > anonymity and uncensored access to the internet for user that need it. > > (Along with users that use it for bad things as well, but that is a > > tradeoff I'm willing to make for now.) > > Good idea. Do you know about dfri.se? They are running some fast exit > relays in Sweden in an organized way. I bet they could help with the > legal side. I agree that it would be great to have some equivalent of the > Tor Legal FAQ written with Sweden in mind. I'm cc'ing Linus (from dfri) > in case he has any thoughts here. > > > relay if you didn't have to pay for it? > > This is an interesting question! Maybe I could buy a VPS somewhere? I'm > the > > local "IT guy" at my office so I might be able to buy a separate > connection > > there and even get some cheap hardware. This defenitely could require > some > > thinking on my part. > > Let us know if anything comes to mind, and what we can do to help. > > > - What else should we be asking here? :) > > What do the relay operators want? :) > > As stated above, for me it would mean much more to have some legal help > to > > fall back on if (when) shit hits the fan. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing > > that many would-be high speed relay operators don't run relays because of > > possible legal imlications. > > Right. Do you know good Swedish lawyers who might be able to help > clarify how the laws there work? > > > I would love to join the discussion on the tor-relays list. I already > > registered, but I never got around to using any mailing lists before, so > > I'm not sure how to respond to your thread without breaking anything. > Help > > a n00b will you? :) > > Happy to help. I'd say just send the mail and see what happens. If > you start with "I run a fast exit relay, and", I expect people will be > very friendly. > > Thanks! > --Roger > >
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