Dear David, see my comment after >
Michel Böhms Data Scientist Unit Buildings, Infrastructure & Maritime Mobile +31 630381220 E-mail [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Location<http://www.tno.nl/locations/DTS> [cid:[email protected]]<http://www.tno.nl/> This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. TNO accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail, for the manner in which you use it and for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent to the electronic transmission of messages. From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Price Sent: zaterdag 5 februari 2022 14:22 To: 'Felix Sasaki' via TopBraid Suite Users <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [topbraid-users] Question on SPARQL Web Pages File(.swp) Hi, Irene explained the approach and rationale in a response to this forum at 7.1 Beta release: 1. As stated in the release notes, running EDG within TBC was never exactly the same as running EDG server. Supporting this mode complicated certain aspects of our codebase and still was not 100% the same. We decided to simplify the code in order to provide more reliable, maintainable and better optimized software for our customers. For example, EDG Studio does not have any Eclipse in it and it does not use Jetty. At the same time, for users who are only interested in TBC having EDG in TBC delivered no value and, instead, created some inconveniences for them e.g., slow start up due to the need to initialize the server. So, after careful consideration we decided to separate the two tools. It is a change and changes can take getting used to. However, we believe it is a change for the better and we do not intend it to leave any current or prospective customers in the dark. Functionally, the same options exists with 7.1 and we are actually considering what else we could offer to the community. Ø I fully support these changes and see all the benefits 2. Some users were using it in order to explore and evaluate EDG prior to the purchase which, as you say, requires a more significant commitment than TBC. This need could be addressed by requesting an evaluation server from TopQuadrant. It is true that this would be for a limited period e.g., a month or two. However, this approach is not unique to TQ. It is pretty much industry standard. * Exchanging existing functionality for an evaluation variant is I think not fair (maybe legally not even ok) * We made demos to clients involving excel imports, You once us advised not to use TBC for that but EDG because those modules were actually developed further and supported. When upgrading, these demos would not work anymore. Beyond the beta, there is no technical reason why we could not license TopBraid EDG Studio to users who do not have EDG. We have not made this option available at the time of 7.1 beta because we are still considering what would work best for our user community and for TQ. We also are looking at other alternatives that may be better aligned with our move towards SaaS e.g., offering a hosted “Community Edition” of EDG that would have more limited features. * I am looking forward to a better solution like * Some “EDG personal edition”, local or saas, or * Some Community saas version having the same functionality, or * Having a good deal for EDG, I see no explicit pricing for EDG at: https://www.topquadrant.com/products/purchase/ In the meantime, we appreciate users input on what they would prefer and why. * Hereby … greetings, Michel WRT Irene's request for alternatives, preferences and suggestions going forward, best to not think that creating a parallel EDG codebase for Composer again is a viable option. If some of the rationale for your needs involve projects/contracts that are not public knowledge, probably best relay those ideas by contacting TQ staff with whom you are already familiar directly to have a more private conversation. Cheers, David On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 9:32 AM 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I very much support this comment. I hope TQ comes with a solution soon... Michel Op 4 feb. 2022 22:55 schreef Tim Smith <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: The bummer part of this product architecture change is now it is impossible to utilize the excellent model driven application capabilities that have always been a part of TBC without buying EDG server. I like the EDG environment but I dont necessarily need the data governance capabilities (e.g the ontologies). Having a TBL-like version (personal and/or server) would suit a lot of my needs. On Fri, Feb 4, 2022, 4:18 PM Holger Knublauch <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I don’t think so, and as of 7.1 TBC is no longer the recommended IDE for developing EDG extensions and features. .swp files are not widely used and may at some stage get deprecated too. I have no insights on how many customers actually use them. Do you have many such files? Moving forward, with scripting tasks, did you look at JavaScript/ADS? This is our suggested long-term suggestion for many scripting tasks. Holger On 4 Feb 2022, at 11:42 pm, [email protected]<http://gmail.com> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi, Whenever the SPARQL Web Pages File(.swp) is changed then the Composer IDE(TopBraid Maestro Edition 7.0.3 (20210703-1923).) needs to be restarted for getting the code changes reflected. I tried the System -> Refresh TopBraid system registries (SPIN etc) option but no difference. I observed that the changes to RDF/SWP file(.ui.ttlx) reflect without any refresh/restart. So, I want to check that is there way to get the SPARQL Web Pages File(.swp) changes reflected without Composer IDE restart? Thanks, Sanjeev -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TopBraid Suite Users" group. 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