--- "n. alex rupp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: "n. alex rupp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Does Geronimo use tomcat? > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:39:35 -0600 > > It's true. Tomcat's 95% ready. It took me about a week to learn enough > about > GBeans and Catalina to get a bolt-on version of Tomcat running inside > Geronimo, > so we don't need a jumpstart. It isn't in the code base right now because > there > are some special build/maven-related parlour tricks that need to be performed > in > order to get it integrated with the normal build, and one Mr. Sundstrom has > taken charge of that effort. Once he gets it integrated into the build, > you'll > be able to use Tomcat. I don't know if T5'll ship with the first version of > Geronimo or not--I don't hear much from Dain or Jeremy these days. They're > somewhere near London, probably pub crawling. > > However, I must warn you. Tomcat is not capable of being truly integrated > into > the Geronimo environment, because it does not use a componentized > architectural > style. Tomcat is very much an application, which can be bolted onto the side > of > Geronimo, but cannot be broken down and encapsulated into GBeans which are > then > able to be individually managed by the container. Believe me, I spent a > month > and a half researching the problem, and I did not arrive at this conclusion > lightly. > > It isn't that Tomcat is designed poorly, just that it wasn't designed to be > embedded. > > This poses problems if you're trying to use Tomcat's built-in JMX to connect > with other GBeans. It also means you won't be able to take advantage of the > distributed configurations, dependency management, application lifecycle, and > all of the other things a real integration with a JSR-77 compliant container > would buy you. I was not happy to make this realization, but it's given me > a > whole new appreciation for Jetty (not that I was really lacking in that > department to begin with). > > This is why I'll be focusing my time and energy in the future on helping > Greg, > Jan and Jules with a true integration of Jetty, or some other solution that's > amiable to them and the other project commiters. Hopefully, as more IoC-3 > style > "constructor dependency injection" containers (like the GBean / Plexus / Pico > containers) start becoming available, our web server solutions will get more > componentized. In the mean time we'll keep the Tomcat bolt-on available in > case > anyone desperately needs it, and give whatever constructive advice we can > regarding the subject. If not here, then definitely on IRC. > > (as Greg and others have mentioned, if you stick to the specification then > you've got nothing at all to worry about.) > > Cheers, hope you guys are all doing well : ) > -- > N. Alex Rupp > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brendan W.McAdams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Tomcat Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: Does Geronimo use tomcat? > > > > N. Alex Rupps has been working on some Tomcat porting for Geronimo > > Integration. You can probably hit him up on > > irc://irc.freenode.net/#geronimo for more information. > > > > > > On Mar 18, 2004, at 12:48, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > > > > Yoav, > > > > > > 'senor srinivas' - That's me :) I was thinking about Jetty/Tomcat and > > > ran across this article on > > > O'Reilly (http://www.onjava.com/lpt/a/1547) and hence the question > > > about updating maven repository > > > to be able to hack something up using 5.0.18. However i have not been > > > able to contribute my time > > > to this effort and it would be GREAT if some tomcat-dev folks can give > > > us a jump start. > > > > > > thanks, > > > dims >
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