Pier Fumagalli wrote: > On 9/12/02 23:58 "Costin Manolache" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> But in this case you keep making false statements, and not only here. It >> should be quite easy to look for a [VOTE] or [PROPOSAL] that you made >> and was voted on tomcat-dev. > > I swear that _LOVE_ my mates... My friend Tonia, who's apparently better > than me in getting out old posts, actually _FOUND_ it! :-) Thank you :-) > And for your own viewing pleasure, that's it...
Did your friend Tonia also found the 3 +1 votes ? Can someone explain to Pier that: 1. revolution can't be named tomcat-whatever 2. tomcat releases need a majority vote and at least 3 +1 votes. I didn't say you can't name your stuff "jerry" - or anything else. And my comment on naming it "tomcat-high-availability" was on the code that you done outside of tomcat. Do you still think it was ok to do so ? You can check with the board or whoever else in apache about that - or try to release an "apache httpd - high-availability". There are many proposals for "minimal" tomcat - and one of the main divergences between 3.3 and 4.0 was the number of features. ( and it turned both position had positive and negative aspects - 4.0 features attracted probably more users than 3.3 minimality ). You may remember the <1M tomcat and the discussion about supporting J2ME with 3.3. So don't tell me you invented the minimal tomcat 4 months ago. When working in a community the behavior is quite important and does have an effect on others and yourself.( that's true for Jon - and for myself :-) One thing we learned is that a proposal needs more than some technical benefits - it also need buy-in from the community. That's how Apache works - if you don't know that. Costin > > (OK, it didn't have the [PROPOSAL] tag, but the wording was in there, > c'mon, be flexible! :-) > > Yes, ok, that's so true... I also vented the idea that _MAYBE_ (but maybe) > someone could have reimplemented the Standard* classes, but WHAT THE HELL? > > All I said I wanted was (quote myself) "more or less what Jon does for > Scarab"... > > I said that IN JUNE... JUNE for damn sake... And somewhere along this > thread when it after degenerated in the usual flame war that always > happens when something needs to be done you said "If possible, please also > change the name - unless ASF gives you permission to use tomcat name in > your product." > > And now _I_ am the idiot who makes false statements... Damn... I _knew_ I > had a reason to be upset... > > Tonia, thanks, I owe you two favours for this one (next time I'm in the > US!) > > Pier > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: 5.0 proposal > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:49:51 +0100 > From: Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Tomcat Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Tomcat Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > > >>> That's why counts where not right on my side of the border... I don't >>> recall vetoing the proposal... I just complained vehemently that I'd >>> prefer to see 4.0 out of the door and stable rather than a 4.1 and a >>> 5.0... > > >> 4.0 is out of door - the release happened long ago. So did 4.0.1... >> 4.0.4. >> >> 4.1 is getting close - and it should be more stable and better than >> 4.0.4. And 5.0 should be more stable and better than 4.1 and 3.3. >> >> And 6.0 will probably be better than 5.0. >> >> If you are interested in maintaining and improving 4.0.4 - just volunteer >> as release manager for the branch, you have my +1 on it. > > I can't be a RM for 4.0.4 because I would simply remove 70% of the code, > and kiddies would start crying their butts off because they don't have the > manager application, or JSP support :) > > But if anyone is interested I'd like to explore the opportunity of a > Tomcat-HA (high-availability or hard-edition), based on 4.0 without the > "crap" in there, and straightening out the request-response model... > > Simply, take the Catalina classes, and remove piles of useless stuff (more > or less what Jon does for Scarab, but to a greater degree, maybe even > reimplementing some of the Standard* classes). > > >> I can't veto as I don't really care how you want to spend your > evenings and > >> stuff... > > > > I don't think you can 'veto' a long term plan or release. AFAIK it's > > a majority vote. > > Veto in terms of -1ing it. > > Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
