My opinion is that being cross platform (IBM VM, JRockit (BEA), etc.) is 
very important and making it required using Sun VM (1.4) is not a good idea.

Until there are other VMs that are 1.4, there must be a workaround (add 
these JARs to make 1.3 work).

.V




Mark Roth wrote:
> It has been brought to my attention that some members of the Tomcat 
> community have expressed a desire to see a requirement lower than J2SE 
> 1.4 in JSP 2.0.
> 
> First, let me reassure you that the JSP 2.0 specification is not final. 
>  Actually, we are in Proposed Final Draft phase, and we are explicitly 
> soliciting feedback!  Early feedback is always much appreciated.  As per 
> the cover of the specification, the appropriate forum for feedback is 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Regarding the J2SE 1.4 requirement, the expert group discussed the topic 
> in early August (as issue "[OTH-17] J2SE Version Requirement") and there 
> was concensus from the different experts, but the EG is open to 
> additional comments.  You can send mail directly to 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], or, maybe better in this case, talk 
> directly to the Apache representatives to the Expert Group: Ricardo 
> Rocha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and Geir Magnusson Jr. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). In 
> general the more feedback the rep has from his community the better for 
> the Expert Group.
> 
> For what it's worth, the only technical reasons we require J2SE 1.4 are:
> 
>     1. We require support for JSR-45 (Debugging Support for Other
>        Languages)
>     2. We declare support for Unicode 3.0 in our I18N chapter.
> 
> Actually, JSR-45 is quite important for the platform as a whole.  For 
> example, it was recently pointed out to me that there's a bug report 
> against Tomcat 5 because we didn't re-implement the pseudo-debug 
> comments that Jasper 1 used to create, and that some tools relied on. 
> Standard debugging annotations is an important enabler, and it would be 
> a shame to have to wait even longer for it.
> 
>  From my perspective, the most significant reason to require J2SE 1.4 is 
> that it would be best if people can write portable tag handlers that 
> utilize J2SE 1.4 libraries, and be able to use them in any JSP 2.0 
> application.  Do we really want to stagnate on J2SE 1.2 APIs forever?
> 
> I've compiled a list of new features in J2SE 1.3 and J2SE 1.4 that I 
> believe would be of use to page authors and tag library developers that 
> would decide to use JSP 2.0.  It would be awesome, IMHO, if page authors 
> and tag library developers could rely on these features being present in 
> any JSP 2.0 compliant container.  This list was also discussed in the 
> Expert Group.
> 
> J2SE 1.3 adds (among other features):
> 
>         * Built-in JNDI
>         * RMI/IIOP
>         * CORBA ORB
>         * PNG support (for image taglibs)
>         * Various Security enhancements
>         * Improved socket support
>         * HTTP 1.1 client-side support
>         * DynamicProxy
>         * Serialization enhancements
>         * Collections enhancements
>         * BigDecimal and BigInteger enhancements
>         * StrictMath
>         * Timer API
>         * Delete-on-close mode for opening zip and jar files
>         * JPDA tool support
> 
> J2SE 1.4 adds (among other features):
> 
>         * XML Processing
>         * New I/O APIs
>         * Security: Java Cryptography integrated
>         * Security: GSS-API, Certification Path API
>         * Pluggable Image I/O framework
>         * Print Service API
>         * Standard Logging APIs
>         * Long-term Persistence of JavaBeans
>         * JDBC 3.0
>         * Assertions
>         * Preferences API
>         * Chained Exception Facility
>         * IPv6 Networking Support
>         * JNDI enhancements
>         * CORBA ORB with POA
>         * *** JSR-45 (Debugging Support for Other Languages) ***
>         * *** Unicode 3.0 ***
>         * Currency class
>         * Collections Framework enhancements
>         * Built-in support for Regular Expressions
> 
> Regards,




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