Pier Fumagalli wrote: > Dan Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Granting that I'm not as experienced with open-source collaboration as >>the rest of you are, > > > Don't worry, I'm here since 1997 and I'm probably the most clueless of all > freaks... :) > > >>my intuition is that the easier it is for people to >>make changes to the code-base ( assuming their contributions are >>reviewed ) the faster the code-base will improve and bugs will be >>eliminated. >> >>Again, this is contigent on the belief that contributions will be >>reviewed by somebody for security, bugs, and code quality. > > > This is absolutely true. Fresh blood is what we _need_. I'm not arguing with > it, and I'm not arguing with the fact that it's just _easier_ to have CVS > access... > > One example from somewhere else, I have a small patch for APR, the Apache > Portable Runtime, I just need to change a "..." (quote) in a [...] (square > bracket) in an M4 macro because it might break stuff somewhere (it seems > that all M4 versions actually interpret it in the same way, but there's a > slight difference). This is on 3 lines of their "configure.in", and I > submitted it 3 months ago? _noone_ committed it yet, once every week I > resubmit it, but it's such a tiny thing that noone actually cares to commit > (I would do exactly the same). If I had CVS access I would do it myself (I > can actually "grant" me cvs access, commit that patch and be gone, and I'm > sure noone would complain), but...
Real story? Send me the patch, I will make a try ;-) > > >>As for the question that Pier asked: How much responsibility am I >>willing to take on? >> >>I am willing to address bugs, and review contributions to the SSI code. >>I would usually not vote on committers unless I >know< that they should >>be + or -, which will be rare. >> >>Similarly, I would vote on release plans, the future of the project, >>etc., if and only if I feel I had something to add in those areas, which >>will probably be rare. > > > Great, that's what we expect from committers, I'm going to strike my -1 and > make it a +1, but please don't let me down and disappear in 2 months! :) :) > > >>>If you want to know the real price of becoming a commiter - it's >>>loosing all control over the code you write, having to play flame wars >>>and grow a thick skin. And you may spend many weekends doing work >>>that is just thrown away. >> >>I'm thick-headed and thick-skinned, so this is not a problem. I'll >>skip on the flame wars though. :) > > > Too bad, I would like to have a flame buddy from time to time... > > >>>Are you interested? I don't want to sound bad, but hey >>>everything comes at a price :) :) :) >> >>I don't view committer status as a trophy. I just want to fix things >>that are broken. Having commit access makes this easier for me and for >>everyone else. > > > I do view committer status as a trophy, probably because I had to put sweat > and blood in getting it years ago, and still, I'm struggling to get one on > APR, or on HTTPD, I help out when I can, I play with the big boys, one day > someone will just say "I'd like Pier to be a committer", and that will be > one of the best days in my life... But don't worry that on that day there > won't be anyone who could say "who's this guy?"... > > >>>If you want my advice - create a sourceforge account, do all the work >>>on SSI there, and have fun. ( and maybe give access to other >>>tomcat commiters who are interested to work on SSI ). >> >>Not sure how this helps. If I understand the suggestion correctly, this >>is equivalent to forking the SSI code, which definitely won't help the >>development process. > > > No, it won't and frankly it's something I wouldn't have wanted to hear from > a committer, a seasoned one, and a PMC member. I am trying, struggling to > build something, like most of us I'm not paid for what I do here (I used to > be, and I can tell you, now that I'm out, I wouldn't go back). > > Just saying "get off to SourceForge and build your thing over there" doesn't > go around in my book... > > >>I just read Pier's proposal, and I agree with him. > > > Cheers, thanks, I'm going to waive my -1 so that you can vote +1 on my > proposal, then :) :) :) > > >>Sorry to have instigated all this, but I suppose it's something that >>would have had to be dealt with sooner or later... > > > You're right, it's just a "casus belli" as Romans might say. Now that the > discussion is undergoing (I hope), I would like to welcome you to the big > PHAT Jakarta Community, and please, as a (rejected before and then welcomed) > committer, keep your thoughts coming... > > Pier > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
