Rob,
I just want to be very clear that I think whoever did the layout on that
site is a very competent (even talented) graphic designer, in case it
sounded like I thought otherwise.
To offer a little more information where Jon and I are coming from, I
reccommend Philip Greenspun's writings on the subject.
http://www.arsdigita.com/books/panda/html.html
Do a "find" in your browser for the section "Why Graphic Designers Just
Don't get It".
Thank you very much for your work, Rob, and the work of your friend
regardless.
On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, Rob S. wrote:
> Ok thanks a lot for the great feedback guys! I forwarded him both messages
> and suggested that he subscribe to the dev list. I don't disagree with
> either of you since I'm no expert in either field (web and UI/HCI) =)
>
> If they aren't used in some form, I already got permission to use one of
> them for a personal home page ;)
>
> Thanks again and take care,
>
> - rob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: November 11, 2000 12:07 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [OPINION] - New Jakarta Website
> >
> >
> > on 11/11/2000 11:45 AM, "Nick Bauman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Once again, good graphic design != good user interface design. I agree
> > > with Jon.
> >
> > I agree with Nick! :-)
> >
> > I also spent some time looking at Erik's homepage and reading information
> > about him. It is pretty obvious to me that he is entirely self taught (not
> > really an issue since I am as well), but the problem that I have
> > is that he
> > doesn't seem to have spent much time with UI design concepts.
> >
> > He can make things look pretty (and they do look good), but that doesn't
> > mean that they are functional or even take into consideration the larger
> > picture of web design, which is simply the ability to convey a message
> > clearly.
> >
> > So, please take that feedback back to him and if he wants to come
> > up with a
> > new design based on the feedback that we have given on the list, I would
> > love to give my opinions to him.
> >
> > p.s. In case Erik thinks I have my head completely up my ass, 5
> > years ago I
> > co-founded a very successful 120+ person web design company.
> > <http://www.clearink.com/index.php3/history.html> In other words,
> > I do have
> > some experience in this field. :-)
> >
> > -jon
> >
> > --
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> > http://java.apache.org/ | http://java.apache.org/turbine/
> > http://www.working-dogs.com/ | http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
> > http://www.collab.net/ | http://www.sourcexchange.com/
> >
> >
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