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On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 17:57 -0800, Gustavo Baratto wrote:
> Hi Nicholas...
>
>
>
> Try running "ls -la", then opening any file with 'vi'.
> When 'vi' starts, the result of 'ls -la' get overwritten in tmux.
> With screen or the plain terminal, the result of 'ls -la' get moved up
> but not overwritten, so I never lose what was printed on the terminal.
>
>
> This is my .tmux.conf:
> ----
> set -g history-limit 200000
> set -g set-titles on
> set -g set-titles-string '[#I:#W:#T]'
> set -g status-justify right
> set -g status-keys vi
> set -g status-left '#[fg=red][#I:#W]'
> set -g status-left-length 50
> set -g status-left-attr "none"
> set -g status-right ''
> set -g status-right-length 1
> set -g status-bg 'yellow'
> set -g default-terminal "screen-256color"
> set -g terminal-overrides '*:smcup@:rmcup@'
> setw -g window-status-current-format
> '#[fg=red,underscore,blink][#I:#W#F]'
> setw -g window-status-attr dim
> setw -g window-status-format '#I:#W#F'
> setw -g mode-keys vi
> setw -g mode-mouse off
> setw -g alternate-screen off
> ----
>
>
>
>
> And this is my .screenrc:
> ----
> termcapinfo xterm ti@:te@
> defscrollback 100000
> ----
>
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> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Nicholas Marriott
> <nicholas.marri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't really understand what you are asking.
>
> tmux has no control over what goes into the terminal
> scrollback and
> when, nor does screen, it's entirely up to the terminal.
>
> If I run screen with altscreen off it leaves the terminal
> scrollback
> unaltered, same as tmux w/o smcup in terminfo.
>
> What do you think they are doing differently?
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 03:07:13PM -0800, Gustavo Baratto
> wrote:
> > Hi Nicholas...
> > Most people I surveyed (including myself) use the
> terminal's scrollback
> > instead of screen/tmux history. Not a very statistically
> relevant sample,
> > but these are all seasoned sysadmins coming from
> different backgrounds, so
> > I suppose there is good demand for such feature.
> > That works perfectly in screen, and it would be great if
> we have both
> > options for scrollback in the terminal and tmux history
> to satisfy all
> > tastes :)
> > Thanks a bunch.
> > g.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Nicholas Marriott
>
> > <[1]nicholas.marri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > tmux already moves the content into the history on
> clear.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 11:32:02AM -0800, Gustavo
> Baratto wrote:
>
>
> > > * *Hi guys...
> > >
> > > * *Is there any news regarding this?
> > > * *I'm on tmux 1.5, and having problem with tmux
> overwriting existing
> > content
> > > * *on the terminal when starting vi.
> > > * *I cannot send clear as '\E[H\E[2J' with either
> terminal-override:
> > >
> > > * *set -g terminal-overrides *'*:smcup@:rmcup@:clear=
> \E[H\E[2J'
> > >
> > > * *or by compiling my own terminal.
> > >
> > > * *Recapping what the problem is (in the well crafted
> words of Fabian
> > in an
> > > * *earlier post):
> > > * *---
> > >
> > > * *What typically happens is something like this for
> a 4 line
> > terminal:
> > >
> > > * *shell% ls
> > > * *file1
> > > * *file2
> > > * *shell%
> > >
> > > * *Now if I would type vim as command (and execute it
> by pressing
> > enter),
> > > * *what I want to happen, is that the above 4 lines
> are moved up in my
> > > * *terminal's buffer, and Vim to use "new space"
> below what was
> > already on
> > > * *the screen.
> > > * *---
> > >
> > > * *I really like tmux, but this behavior is a
> showstopper for me and
> > many
> > > * *co-workers that now use screen.
> > > * *Thanks a bunch :)
> > > * *g.
> > >
> > > * *On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 07:55:27AM +0100, Nicholas
> Marriott wrote:
> > > * *> It wasn't supported in tmux 1.4, try tmux 1.5?
> > > * *>
> > > * *> If that doesn't work, send me the output of
> "clear|cat -v" on
> > your
> > > * *> box.
> > > * *>
> > > * *>
> > > * *> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 06:25:40PM -0700, Robin
> Lee Powell wrote:
> > > * *> > Note, by the way, that on other machines
> "clear" *used* to do
> > the
> > > * *> > right thing for me; we had a long thread about
> it a while back;
> > > * *> >
> [1][2]http://www.mail-archive.com/tmux-users@...>
> > > * *> >
> > > * *> > This is a completely new system, and I don't
> know what changed.
> > > * *> > It's Fedora 15, running tmux 1.4.
> > > * *> >
> > > * *> > Suggestions welcome for how to test/debug
> this, as usual.
> > > * *> >
> > > * *> > -Robin
> > > * *> >
> > > * *> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 06:15:29PM -0700,
> Robin Lee Powell
> > wrote:
> > > * *> > > On my current Fedora machine, no, it
> doesn't.
> > > * *> > >
> > > * *> > > If I run "clear", with alternate-screen off,
> it simply
> > destroys
> > > * *> > > what's on the screen; it doesn't go into
> tmux's
> > backscroll/history
> > > * *> > > or anything, it's just *gone*.
> > > * *> > >
> > > * *> > > I want this fixed so very, very badly. ;_;
> > > * *> > >
> > > * *> > > It annoys me so much that I may have to
> switch back to GNU
> > screen,
> > > * *> > > where I never had this problem, despite it
> being a worse
> > program in
> > > * *> > > basically every other respect.
> > > * *> > >
> > > * *> > > -Robin
> > > * *> > >
> > > * *> > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:28:09PM +0100,
> Nicholas Marriott
> > wrote:
> > > * *> > > > Don't we do this already? Clear screen
> scrolls lines into
> > the
> > > * *history?
> > > * *> > > > Or do you want something else? It isn't
> very obvious.
> > > * *> > > >
> > > * *> > > >
> > > * *> > > >
> > > * *> > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:22:16PM +0200,
> Fabian Groffen
> > wrote:
> > > * *> > > > > Hi list,
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > In my quest to get rid of the
> alternative buffer feature
> > of
> > > * *todays
> > > * *> > > > > terminals, I've configured tmux with:
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > set -g terminal-overrides
> 'xterm*:smcup@...@'
> > > * *> > > > > set -g alternate-screen off
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > This basically does everything I want,
> except that
> > compared to a
> > > * *> > > > > non-tmux session (with terminfo settings
> to remove smcup
> > and
> > > * *rmcup
> > > * *> > > > > capabilities) a "clear" overwrites the
> existing contents
> > of the
> > > * *> > > > > terminal. E.g. when I run Vim in tmux, I
> lose the
> > information on
> > > * *my
> > > * *> > > > > screen, whereas outside it isn't. The
> \E[2J sequence
> > triggers a
> > > * *full
> > > * *> > > > > clear screen, and the attached patch
> changes the
> > behaviour for
> > > * *that
> > > * *> > > > > sequence in the tty_cmd_clearscreen
> function not to
> > overwrite,
> > > * *but
> > > * *> > > > > rather add empty lines to make the
> terminal clean. This
> > is only
> > > * *done
> > > * *> > > > > when alternate-screen is set to off,
> when this behaviour
> > makes
> > > * *sense.
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > Please consider the attached patch.
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > --
> > > * *> > > > > Fabian Groffen
> > > * *> > > > > Gentoo on a different level
> > > * *> > > >
> > > * *> > > > > # HG changeset patch
> > > * *> > > > > # User Fabian Groffen <grobian@...>
> > > * *> > > > > # Date 1314042382 -7200
> > > * *> > > > > # Node ID
> 1b455a85ed6ca5e6aeea23a7152bffcc902966b3
> > > * *> > > > > # Parent
> 051fdc014dc5bc730e4b0eb380af8b09938dd9b8
> > > * *> > > > > tty_cmd_clearscreen: don't overwrite the
> buffer if
> > > * *alternate-screen=off
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > If the alternative-screen isn't used,
> overwriting the
> > buffer
> > > * *contents
> > > * *> > > > > loses the information that the user
> probably wanted to
> > retain
> > > * *(hence no
> > > * *> > > > > alternate-screen). Instead, write enough
> newlines to
> > clear the
> > > * *screen
> > > * *> > > > > and reset the cursor, such that we
> retain all information
> > that
> > > * *was on
> > > * *> > > > > the screen before the clear.
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > For example: having ls output and
> starting Vim won't
> > overwrite
> > > * *the ls
> > > * *> > > > > output, but show the output including
> the vim invocation.
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > diff -r 051fdc014dc5 -r 1b455a85ed6c
> tty.c
> > > * *> > > > > --- a/tty.c Mon Aug 22 20:14:55 2011
> +0200
> > > * *> > > > > +++ b/tty.c Mon Aug 22 21:46:22 2011
> +0200
> > > * *> > > > > @@ -899,24 +899,32 @@
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > tty_reset(tty);
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > - tty_region_pane(tty, ctx, 0,
> screen_size_y(s) - 1);
> > > * *> > > > > - tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, 0);
> > > * *> > > > > + if
> (options_get_number(&wp->window->options,
> > > * *"alternate-screen")) {
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_region_pane(tty, ctx, 0,
> screen_size_y(s) - 1);
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, 0);
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > > > - if (wp->xoff == 0 && screen_size_x(s)
> >= tty->sx &&
> > > * *> > > > > - tty_term_has(tty->term, TTYC_EL)) {
> > > * *> > > > > - for (i = 0; i < screen_size_y(s); i++)
> {
> > > * *> > > > > - tty_putcode(tty, TTYC_EL);
> > > * *> > > > > - if (i != screen_size_y(s) - 1) {
> > > * *> > > > > - tty_emulate_repeat(tty, TTYC_CUD,
> TTYC_CUD1, 1);
> > > * *> > > > > - tty->cy++;
> > > * *> > > > > + if (wp->xoff == 0 && screen_size_x(s)
> >= tty->sx &&
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_term_has(tty->term, TTYC_EL)) {
> > > * *> > > > > + for (i = 0; i < screen_size_y(s); i++)
> {
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_putcode(tty, TTYC_EL);
> > > * *> > > > > + if (i != screen_size_y(s) - 1) {
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_emulate_repeat(tty, TTYC_CUD,
> TTYC_CUD1, 1);
> > > * *> > > > > + tty->cy++;
> > > * *> > > > > + }
> > > * *> > > > > + }
> > > * *> > > > > + } else {
> > > * *> > > > > + for (j = 0; j < screen_size_y(s); j++)
> {
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, j);
> > > * *> > > > > + for (i = 0; i < screen_size_x(s); i++)
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_putc(tty, ' ');
> > > * *> > > > > }
> > > * *> > > > > }
> > > * *> > > > > } else {
> > > * *> > > > > - for (j = 0; j < screen_size_y(s); j++)
> {
> > > * *> > > > > - tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, j);
> > > * *> > > > > - for (i = 0; i < screen_size_x(s); i++)
> > > * *> > > > > - tty_putc(tty, ' ');
> > > * *> > > > > - }
> > > * *> > > > > + /* make sure we don't overwrite buffer
> contents, move
> > down */
> > > * *> > > > > + for (j = 0; j < screen_size_y(s); j++)
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_putc(tty, '\n');
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_region_pane(tty, ctx, 0,
> screen_size_y(s) - 1);
> > > * *> > > > > + tty_cursor_pane(tty, ctx, 0, 0);
> > > * *> > > > > }
> > > * *> > > > > }
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > * *> > > >
> > > * *> > > > >
> > > *
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