On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 04:34:46AM -0800, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 12:20 AM Muhammad Usama Sardar <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Since this draft clearly seems to be controversial, I am still failing to
> > see why chairs are not asking for expert review of FATT to resolve the
> > matter. So, I once again request the chairs to initiate FATT process. Maybe
> > chairs can collect all related analysis and send these pointers along with
> > the request.
> >
> It's not clear to me what you're hoping to learn from the FATT
> analysis. Is there some question about the properties of the
> combination of ML-KEM with TLS assuming that ML-KEM is
> in fact IND-CCA secure? I understand the question to be
> about the security of ML-KEM proper, which the FATT process
> is not designed to assess.

It is not possible to directly prove that IND-CCA implies that KEM is
secure for TLS 1.3, because IND-CCA is trivially broken in TLS 1.3.

However, it is possible to prove that IND-CCA implies OW-PCVO
(assuming the opposite leads to contradiction), and OW-PCVO implies
the KEM is secure for TLS 1.3 (the setup is straight from the game).

Which implies that IND-CCA indeed implies that the KEM is secure for
TLS 1.3.




-Ilari

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