>"The chairs will then redo a working group last call to see if >there is rough >consensus for publishing this document." > >FWIW, I read that as meaning a fresh WGLC not one >limited to the diff.
+1 I think [2] is just fine. I do not agree with the AD’s summary of [2]. John From: Stephen Farrell <[email protected]> Date: Friday, 20 February 2026 at 16:07 To: Paul Wouters <[email protected]>, [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends 2026-02-27) Hi Paul, Quoting from [2] below: "The chairs will then redo a working group last call to see if there is rough consensus for publishing this document." FWIW, I read that as meaning a fresh WGLC not one limited to the diff. And I think it'd be unwise to process this as if it weren't as controversial as it clearly is. Cheers, S. On 20/02/2026 15:00, Paul Wouters wrote: > > [ AD hat on ] > > All, > > I want to remind people that the goal of this 2nd WGLC is to focus on > the new text changed in responds to the conclusion of the 1st WGLC. > > We already had a WGLC on this document [1] and the conclusion [2] was > that it passed WGLC provided some clarifying text would be added that > stated that for the general use case, hybrids were preferred. This > 2nd WGLC is about that topic. > > There is an appeal chain that got muddled by the inappropriate use of > derivative clauses that is still in progress, but so far yielded the AD > statement [3] that confirmed the WG Chairs view that the consensus call > passed. There is an appeal with the IESG [4] on that decision, and this > document will not be placed in the RFC Editor queue until that appeal has > concluded, but will also not stop all processing while the appeal runs. > > This 2nd WGLC is meant to get those people who provisionally said "yes" > to publication of this document pending some extra text, to review this > text and let us know if that resolves the conditional part of their > "yes" statement. The text changes to discuss can be seen at: > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fauthor-tools.ietf.org%2Fiddiff%3Furl1%3Ddraft-ietf-tls-&data=05%7C02%7Cjohn.mattsson%40ericsson.com%7C31ea592db84e4abab37108de7091b685%7C92e84cebfbfd47abbe52080c6b87953f%7C0%7C0%7C639071968298812970%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iTcaRIt8%2FPHt35viAX3YjkifaHeYf5NXjYFKKUP62kA%3D&reserved=0<https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf-tls-> > mlkem-05&url2=draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07&difftype=--html > > > I understand this is a heated topic. I am also not hearing from people > that they have changed their opinion on whether or not to publish this > document at all. Confirming your views are fine, but again, that is not > the goal of this 2nd WGLC. It would be helpful if, especially those > people who wanted additional clarifying text, to give us feedback on > this. And ideally, offer up suggestions that would address any still > outstanding issues. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > [1] > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Ftls%2FPzdox1sDDG36q19PWDVPghsiyXA%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cjohn.mattsson%40ericsson.com%7C31ea592db84e4abab37108de7091b685%7C92e84cebfbfd47abbe52080c6b87953f%7C0%7C0%7C639071968298835322%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=FWqjGJ1eO6Lhgl2t4DO9wK%2FzPzD%2B8Gj3zcWyA10IQIc%3D&reserved=0<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/Pzdox1sDDG36q19PWDVPghsiyXA/> > [2] > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Ftls%2FGc6KVPrVHn-QCkeEcvJ_qtRcFxY%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cjohn.mattsson%40ericsson.com%7C31ea592db84e4abab37108de7091b685%7C92e84cebfbfd47abbe52080c6b87953f%7C0%7C0%7C639071968298852334%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CYN97CFdUaGYYQkRZBLm2GgydGmn4RxV9IOgAr%2F8mQU%3D&reserved=0<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/Gc6KVPrVHn-QCkeEcvJ_qtRcFxY/> > [3] > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Ftls%2FdzPT8KQe4S-_pZROLUJMvS9pM0M%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cjohn.mattsson%40ericsson.com%7C31ea592db84e4abab37108de7091b685%7C92e84cebfbfd47abbe52080c6b87953f%7C0%7C0%7C639071968298864385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=U4ZjSDR88x3tS2D1jc5lNv71QNiHiggKVGIby8NwydU%3D&reserved=0<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/dzPT8KQe4S-_pZROLUJMvS9pM0M/> > [4] > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fgroup%2Fiesg%2Fappeals%2Fartifact%2F230&data=05%7C02%7Cjohn.mattsson%40ericsson.com%7C31ea592db84e4abab37108de7091b685%7C92e84cebfbfd47abbe52080c6b87953f%7C0%7C0%7C639071968298874946%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=yB0peO1rv5Jok1yLgX465rKlLhCiP3riqWHkzDu9Lis%3D&reserved=0<https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/iesg/appeals/artifact/230> > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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