On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 6:19 PM Rob Sayre <say...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 4:55 PM Eric Rescorla <e...@rtfm.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Note that this wouldn't necessarily be the case if you allowed the
>> combination of certificate-based auth and the PAKE, though that might
>> be problematic for other reasons.
>>
>
> That was exactly my thought. I think I have seen some OPAQUE drafts that
> don't start from "0" in the key schedule.
>
> So, what are the "other reasons"? Not meant as sarcastic scare quotes.
> But, what are they?
>

I'm not sure there necessarily are any; I just haven't thought through the
problem completely
and so wanted to leave room for there being some barrier I wasn't aware of.

With that said, it seems like you would want to have some formal
verification that
the PAKE and certificate-based auth played well together, and in particular
that
they were non-separable.

-Ekr
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