Yes to Viktor's and Peter's comments. 

I can't understand fanaticism expressed in this "deprecate..." attempt. 
Besides, it is simply unwise. 

--
V/R,
Uri
 
There are two ways to design a system. One is to make it so simple there are 
obviously no deficiencies.
The other is to make it so complex there are no obvious deficiencies.
                                                                                
                                                     -  C. A. R. Hoare
 

On 7/14/23, 03:02, "TLS on behalf of Peter Gutmann" <tls-boun...@ietf.org on 
behalf of pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
    Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-d...@dukhovni.org> writes:

    >What benefit do we expect from forcing weaker security (RSA key exchange or
    >cleartext in the case of SMTP) on the residual servers that don't do either
    >TLS 1.3 or ECDHE?

    This already happens a lot in wholesale banking, the admins have dutifully
    disabled DH because someone said so and so all keyex falls back to RSA circa
    1995, and worst possible situation to be in.

    There needs to be clear text in there to say that if you can't do ECC then 
do
    DH but never RSA, or even just "keep using DH because it's still vastly 
better
    than the alternative of RSA".  At the moment the blanket "don't do DH" is in
    effect saying "use RSA keyex" to a chunk of the market.

    Peter.

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