I see absolutely nothing wrong with using FFDH(E) and ECDH, as long as at least 
one of the keys is ephemeral. There is no need to “warn away”, IMHO. 

Regards,
Uri

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 15:19, Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai....@dmarc.ietf.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I still support adoption, as I said a couple of weeks ago. I also still think 
> we should consider merging this and 
> draft-aviram-tls-deprecate-obsolete-kex-00.
>  
> I know that I’ve also said this before (can’t find it in my “sent mail” 
> folder), but the fact that some communities can still use this safely, or 
> must use it (for a variety of reasons usually around the infeasibility of 
> upgrading), doesn’t mean that the general populace should not be warned away 
> from doing these kinds of things.
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