Hi Mike,

This is a pretty big topic that’s been explored quite a bit.  The long term 
impact of these changes could be very positive.  I just published a book on the 
topic of embracing E2E among other topics after exploring the impact on 
operators in RFC8404.  In other words, both directions were explored to reach a 
possible way forward with increased security and how to get the 
control/visibility in order to embrace these changes.  

I’m happy to talk more, but fear the length of a thread on this list and may 
not keep up with it given my current workload.

Best regards,
Kathleen 

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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Michael D'Errico <mike-l...@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I get a weird feeling that the internet is being hijacked and soon it will be 
> impossible to reverse course.  I have not followed the development of TLS 1.3 
> but it seems very different from TLS 1.2. Also TLS 1.2 is very different from 
> TLS 1.0/1.1 (which are being deprecated).  QUIC looked good at a glance, but 
> it seems to rely on TLS to share key material, and also I'm more than a bit 
> concerned about its capability to track users.
> 
> Then there's Zoom video conferencing, where everybody working from home or in 
> virtual school has an audio and video feed streaming to their servers.  
> Github is owned by Microsoft with some dire consequences.  Lots of large 
> companies trying to be everything to everyone, and it turns out they're cruel.
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Mike
> 
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