On Wednesday, 4 July 2018 15:00:18 CEST Eric Rescorla wrote:
> I think it's a close call, because the length is sort of external to the
> language.

which language? the decode_error alert description literally says "length of 
the message was incorrect."

> That's why, for instance, NSS sends "illegal_parameter". So,
> absent specific text about this value, I think this is something we can
> leave to the implementations.

but the text is explicit, if a message continues past message boundary, the 
correct response is decode_error. Decode_error is also consistent with the way 
above-expected length Client Hello MUST be handled.

Just because the description of the message uses a single opaque array doesn't 
make this message syntactically any different from other Handshake protocol 
message.

if the interpretation of "I know this _message_ _length_ is wrong because of 
some other values I negotiated before, so I'll send illegal_parameter" was 
correct, then overflow_error, decrypt_error and probably few others would also 
need to be replaced with illegal_parameter...
 
> -Ekr
> 
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 2:54 AM, Hubert Kario <hka...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Despite this, is it correct to terminate a connection with
> > "illegal_parameter"
> > upon receiving a Finished handshake message with a 100 byte payload? or a
> > 20
> > byte payload? My opinion is that it is not, "decode_error" is more
> > specific so
> > it should be used instead.
> > 
> > 
> > Specification says the following on the matter:
> > 
> > The draft 28 specifies the Finished message as having following structure:
> >       struct {
> >       
> >           opaque verify_data[Hash.length];
> >       
> >       } Finished;
> > 
> > At multiple places it also talks about handling messages that have sizes
> > that
> > don't match their structure as requiring termination of connection with
> > "decode_error".
> > 
> > The generic situation in Section 6:
> >    Peers which receive a message which
> >    cannot be parsed according to the syntax (e.g., have a length
> >    extending beyond the message boundary or contain an out-of-range
> >    length) MUST terminate the connection with a "decode_error" alert.
> > 
> > as description of the alert in Section 6.2:
> >    decode_error  A message could not be decoded because some field was
> >    
> >       out of the specified range or the length of the message was
> >       incorrect.  This alert is used for errors where the message does
> >       not conform to the formal protocol syntax.
> > 
> > In specific about Client Hello, in Section 4.1.2:
> >    If negotiating a version of TLS prior to 1.3, a server MUST check
> >    that the message either contains no data after
> >    legacy_compression_methods or that it contains a valid extensions
> >    block with no data following.  If not, then it MUST abort the
> >    handshake with a "decode_error" alert.
> > 
> > And specific handling of Certificate from server in Section 4.4.2.4:
> >    If the server supplies an empty Certificate message, the client MUST
> >    abort the handshake with a "decode_error" alert.
> > 
> > Description of "illegal_parameter" in Section 6:
> >    Peers which receive a message which is syntactically correct but
> >    semantically invalid (e.g., a DHE share of p - 1, or an invalid enum)
> >    MUST terminate the connection with an "illegal_parameter" alert.
> > 
> > Alert description in Section 6.2:
> >    illegal_parameter  A field in the handshake was incorrect or
> >    
> >       inconsistent with other fields.  This alert is used for errors
> >       which conform to the formal protocol syntax but are otherwise
> >       incorrect.
> > 
> > (it's also mentioned in over a dozen places in the draft)
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Hubert Kario
> > Senior Quality Engineer, QE BaseOS Security team
> > Web: www.cz.redhat.com
> > Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkyňova 115, 612 00  Brno, Czech Republic
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Regards,
Hubert Kario
Senior Quality Engineer, QE BaseOS Security team
Web: www.cz.redhat.com
Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkyňova 115, 612 00  Brno, Czech Republic

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