And by the important business I was referring to the TLS and DTLS drafts.

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> On Jul 14, 2017, at 13:22, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL <u...@ll.mit.edu> 
> wrote:
> 
> I will be perfectly happy not allocating any time at all for the wiretapping 
> presentation.
> 
> I would not call the discussed draft "the important business" - for me it's 
> anything but that. 
> 
> Regards,
> Uri
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 14, 2017, at 13:11, Ted Lemon <mel...@fugue.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have two working groups already in the monday slot.   I doubt I'm unique 
>> in this.   It seems like you should put the important business in the slot 
>> that was previously scheduled, and the overflow into the Monday slot.   It's 
>> hard to imagine how a discussion of the wiretapping thing could be anything 
>> other than a dance at the mic, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL 
>> <u...@ll.mit.edu> wrote:
>> +1
>> 
>> Current agenda does look backwards. IMHO, do as Stephen suggested.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Uri
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:10, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie> 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hiya,
>> >
>> >> On 14/07/17 15:51, Sean Turner wrote:
>> >> Please let us know your thoughts.
>> >
>> > 80 minutes for wiretapping is too much. Zero would
>> > be better. But if not...
>> >
>> > I'd suggest: 10 minutes for draft-green, 10 minutes
>> > to describe issues with that (i.e. the slot for which
>> > I continue to ask) and then 10 minutes discussion. If
>> > we assume the folks in the room have read the list and
>> > the draft that should be plenty.
>> >
>> > If we assume they haven't read the list, then it's more
>> > important that the counter-arguments be given sufficient
>> > time.
>> >
>> > So your draft agenda seems to get that backwards to me,
>> > in that it allocates 40 minutes for a sales-pitch and
>> > then 40 minutes where we bitch about that at the mic
>> > interspersed with proponents repeating bits of the sales
>> > pitch. That might be more amusing for us all, but seems
>> > like a worse use of time to me.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > S.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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