Thanks Viktor,  I missed this part of the discussion.  The text looks fine
to me as is.

Joe

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-d...@dukhovni.org>
wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 02:11:01PM -0700, Joseph Salowey wrote:
>
> > It looks like we have good consensus on PR 169 to relax certificate list
> > ordering requirements.  I had one question on the revised text.  I'm
> > unclear on the final clause in this section:
> >
> > "Because certificate validation requires that trust anchors be
> distributed
> > independently, a self-signed certificate that specifies a trust anchor
> MAY
> > be omitted from the chain, provided that supported peers are known to
> > possess any omitted certificates they may require."
> >
> > I just want to make sure there isn't the intention of omitting
> certificates
> > that are not seif-signed.
>
> There is no such intention, the new text in question expands on
> existing text in previous versions of TLS that specifically blesses
> omission of self-signed issuers.  Such omission is no longer
> universally applicable, since with DANE-TA(2) for example, even
> self-signed issuers MUST be included in the server chain.
>
>     https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dane-ops-16#section-5.2.2
>
> So the intent here is to hedge  the circumstances under which chain
> elements are ommitted.  This is not an attempt to bless further
> chain optimization.  What's new here is the "provided that ...".
>
> --
>         Viktor.
>
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