Hi Tobias It sounds like you were expecting "list-before" and "list-after" to work differently than they do. They affect the ordering of tiddlers that carry a particular tag, and are not a mechanism for arbitrarily inserting content after specified tiddlers.
> That got me thinking that it might be quite powerful to be able to define some tiddler as to be rendered whenever certain other (shadow) tiddlers are being rendered / transcluded. It sounds like monkey patching. > I can imagine that there might be a performance impact to this, but it would sure make customizing the output a whole lot more flexible. Well, it's a solution to a problem that is already solved in the TiddlyWiki core, and I'm not sure whether this is any better. It makes it easier to customise things that haven't been engineered with a system tag, but that seems to me to just increase dependencies between user markup and core markup. Better to engineer the right adaptation points I think. Best wishes Jeremy. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Tobias Beer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > After you showed me > <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/YEgHhQ0ZcFo/8oS__hRhnLIJ> how > to use *insert-after* to render conditional content with > *$:/tags/ViewTemplate*, I tried to experiment a little rendering > something *non-intrusively* at the bottom of the sidebar below > *$:/core/ui/SideBarLists*. > > http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Ftemplate%2FAfterSidebar > > Turns out, that didn't quite work, as I realized that the *ListField* for > *$:/tags/PageTemplate* only entails the toplevel elements, so that > > *list-after => $:/core/ui/**SideBarLists* > > ...won't have any effect as it's not part of the *ListField*. So, > *list-after* and *list-before* really only apply to the *ListField*, not > DOM elements or tiddlers being rendered. > > ——— > > That got me thinking that it might be quite powerful to be able to define > some tiddler as to be rendered whenever certain other (shadow) tiddlers are > being rendered / transcluded. > > Here is how that could work: > > 1. give *the tiddler* the tag of the corresponding *shadow tiddler* > 2. define the field *render* > 3. set the field value for *render* to either of *appendTo*, > *prependTo*, *insertAfter*, *insertBefore* > 4. transclude *the tiddler* accordingly whenever the *shadow tiddler* > being referred to is rendered > > I can imagine that there might be a performance impact to this, but it > would sure make customizing the output a whole lot more flexible. > > ——— > > As it is in the context of tagging, the documentation > <http://tiddlywiki.com/#Tagging> on *list-after* and *list-before *doesn't > say too much about how it is being used for templating, e.g.: > > - what system-tags is this relevant for > - how to figure out the rendering order / elements / available > placeholders > - etc... > > I think it would be good to find some details on this at... > > http://tiddlywiki.com/#SystemTags > > Best wishes, Tobias. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
