Scott Dowdle composed on 2025-02-06 03:56 (UTC): > I'm not sure what you mean about a-page-needs-a-scrollbar. That isn't a > function of HTML nor the responsibility of someone creating a web page. > Browsers these days, for whatever reason the UI developers years ago, decided > that scrollbars should be hidden if the mouse isn't hovering over where they > should be... so they make them auto-hide (or drastically reduce them so they > are barely visible) and often only reveal them when the pointer is over them. > I don't think browsers are the only programs that do that but I can't think > of another one off-hand. UI developers think less-is-more and that > more-equals-clutter.
I'm not sure that's the whole story. There's only so much that can fit in the micro screen of a mobile phone. My fingers are too big to use them with anything but their NUM pads to put in phone numbers. Less than a week ago, I literally took a sledge hammer to the one my sister gave me. First hit killed it. Third hit exploded it and burned me with splatter. It was red hot for more than a minute after the flames and smoke stopped. > I'm old and I would prefer that "clutter" personally... but developers don't > cater to old people. :( That is oh so sadly true. "Powered by Discourse" in general equates to go away unless you use the latest greatest awful bloatware web browser. openSUSE at least employs a workaround on its Discourse pages that enables native scrollbars to function in browsers that aren't Chrome wannabes, those with friendlier feature sets and less bloat. Last visible text on https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-operations-report/133731 is "February 18th – Changes need to be Complete" unless CSS is disabled in SeaMonkey, though some more is reachable via unzooming, and all is available via page source. I don't open Discourse pages except when it results from clicking on a link elsewhere, such as a Google hit, which is how I found out about Feb. 4th branching. Last system-upgrade here was 3 days ago, before branching. > I couldn't quite fully follow your email. It sounded like you were trying to > upgraded Fedora 41 to Fedora 42... just because F42 branched from rawhide > today. Is that just for a test to see what would happen? That would be the > only reason I'd try it as branching from rawhide doesn't mean it is anywhere > near usable yet. It'll still have several months of development... and have > one beta release. I'm not looking at the schedule but I'm guessing it is > slated for near the end of April or beginning of May. So, I'm not at all > surprised that attempting to upgrade from F41 to F42 today went badly as > that's what I would expect to happen. > I sense quite a bit of frustration in your communication and I can only wish > to help ease that if only a little bit. Bugzilla was barely into 6 digit bug numbers when I reported my first Rawhide bug over two decades ago: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=107733 1st Rawhide; 103000 v9 Anaconda Now its numbers are well over 20 times that, and I've reported bugs there 66 times, possibly most of which started as Rawhide. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata -- _______________________________________________ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
