2012/3/27 夜神 岩男 <supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp>:
>
>
> --- On Tue, 2012/3/27, drago01 <drag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2012/3/27 夜神 岩男 <supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp>:
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 2012/3/27, drago01 <drag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Tom Horsley <horsley1...@gmail.com> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > This bug casually mentions that an app (swell-foop) menu has
>> >> > moved from the app itself to the gnome-shell panel:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=803430#c4
>> >> >
>> >> > My reaction to this is "What in the $#@! is going on?!?".
>> >> >
>> >> > Is gnome 3 now being turned into ubuntu unity where
>> >> > no apps have menu bars and you only discover them by
>> >> > accident when you happen to mouse over the unity panel?
>> >>
>> >> No.
>> >>
>> >> > Does anyone understand the logic behind this apparent
>> >> > wildly popular meme of hiding essential controls where
>> >> > no one is ever likely to stumble across them?
>> >>
>> >> Application global actions (ones not tied to specific windows or for
>> >> single window apps) can be optionally placed in the application menu
>> >> by the app.
>> >>
>> >> https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree/Features/ApplicationMenu
>> >
>> > ...doesn't that literally mean "yes" ?
>>
>> No.
>>
> If you say so... but I'd like to point out that having a place where an 
> application "might or might not" place some controls depending on a condition 
> that is not obvious to the user makes me think this is some unneccessary and 
> avoidable ambiguity in the interface, and I think that's what Tom was getting 
> at.

No that's not the purpose of the application menu.
It is about splitting application specific controls away from window
specific ones. Which makes a lot of sense to me.

> Also, the Ctrl+Alt+TAB (the old Leftie Vulcan!) -> Navigate thing reminds me 
> of why we used to have the Space Cadet keyboard, how it got that name, and 
> why it was eventually ditched...

See other mail ... suggest a specific shortcut and file a bug.
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