----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raf Czlonka" <rczlo...@gmail.com>
> To: "tech" <tech@openbsd.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:42:11 AM
> Subject: Re: update: afterboot.8 to reference ntpd(8) by default

> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 09:52:39AM BST, Stuart Henderson wrote:
>> On 2015/09/26 07:44, Raf Czlonka wrote:
>> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:14:03PM BST, Rob Pierce wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Update diff below referencing the correct man page sections and with 
>> > > sentenced
>> > > starting on a new line.
>> > 
>> > Hi Rob,
>> > 
>> > > Index: afterboot.8
>> > > ===================================================================
>> > > RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8,v
>> > > retrieving revision 1.149
>> > > diff -u -p -r1.149 afterboot.8
>> > > --- afterboot.8  24 Sep 2015 15:07:55 -0000      1.149
>> > > +++ afterboot.8  26 Sep 2015 02:23:33 -0000
>> > > @@ -124,22 +124,30 @@ Furthermore, the superuser's
>> > >  should never contain the current directory
>> > >  .Pq Dq \&. .
>> > >  .Ss System date
>> > > -Check the system date with the
>> > > +.Xr ntpd 8
>> > > +is now enabled by default to automatically synchronize clocks with 
>> > > remote
>> > 
>> > If I may. I'd simply use what's already there with slight modification:
>> > 
>> > +is used to automatically synchronize clocks with remote NTP servers.
>> 
>> Agreed. In particular "is now" doesn't seem helpful for afterboot,
>> people reading this don't need to know about what we used to do.
> 
> That's exactly what I was thinking, too.
> 
>> > > +NTP servers.
>> > > +You can use
>> > > +.Xr ntpctl 8
>> > > +to check the status.
>> > > +You can also search
>> > > +.Pa /var/log/daemon
>> > > +for
>> > > +.Xr ntpd 8
>> > > +related events.
>> > > +To change the time servers or other related settings see
>> > > +.Xr ntpd.conf 5 .
>> > > +.Pp
>> > 
>> > IMVHO, too much info about ntpd. These do not belong here at all - ntpd
>> > "just works" and if one is to find out more about it - they should read
>> > the aforementioned manual page.
>> 
>> I think the ntpctl and /var/log/daemon references are unnecessary, but
>> since the ability to set a timeserver was removed from the installer
>> it might be a good idea to point people in the right direction to do
>> that (i.e. mention ntpd.conf). If I have a bunch of machines and want
>> to correlate times of logged events between them, I do not want them
>> all picking different pool.ntp.org servers, I want them to look at
>> a single or small number of sources, usually ones which I control
>> myself.
> 
> Fair point.
> 
>> > > +You can check the system date using the
>> > >  .Xr date 1
>> > >  command.
>> > > -If needed, change the date, and/or change the symbolic link of
>> > 
>> > This was fine as it is, with how to *change* the date example below.
>> > 
>> > > +If needed, change the symbolic link of
>> > >  .Pa /etc/localtime
>> > >  to the correct time zone in the
>> > >  .Pa /usr/share/zoneinfo
>> > >  directory.
>> > > -Alternatively,
>> > > -.Xr ntpd 8
>> > > -can be used to automatically synchronize clocks with remote NTP servers.
>> > > -.Pp
>> > > -Examples:
>> > >  .Pp
>> > > -Set the current date to January 27th, 1999 3:04pm:
>> > > -.Dl # date 199901271504
>> > > +For example:
>> > >  .Pp
>> > >  Set the time zone to Atlantic Standard Time:
>> > >  .Dl # ln -fs /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Atlantic /etc/localtime
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > 
>> > Raf
>> > 
>> 
>> I'd be tempted to make the example use something from March 2038 :-)
> 
> :^)
> 
>> If not that, then at least use a contemporary date, a 1999 example
>> makes the page look outdated.
> 
> Either one would be fine, IMHO.
> 
> Raf

Thanks guys. I will fix it up and resend. Do you think there should
be an rdate(8) reference/example?

Rob

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