Be aware that the cost of TSM may be structured much differently from
Veeam. Paying for consumption with TSM is fairly costly (anecdotal).

The offset for paying by sockets on the hypervisors is that you will need
to also consume resources in the backup infrastructure (per vCenter in our
topology).

Using Veeam you can choose how you create your backup jobs and don't need
to snapshot an entire datastore, from the jobs we run - the virtual
machines get snapshotted -> CBT read/backed up -> snapshot removal.

Our current sizing is:
Processing speed: 42 MB/s
Source VMs size: 78.4 TB
Full backups: 155.8 TB
Restore points: 49.7 TB

This includes: 1 backup server, and ~9 Veeam Proxies across 3 vCenters,
using datamovers by Veeam/Exagrid.



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Skylar Thompson <skylar.thomp...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> I'll second the recommendation for TSM. We don't use TDP VE but I can
> definitely vouch for the scalability. We're use it to track ~1 billion
> onsite file versions and 5PB on tape, with an equivalent number offsite.
> Our daily backup volumes vary from 10TB all the way to 60TB. For a storage
> system of its size, the problems have been relatively minor and the support
> excellent.
>
> Skylar
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Michael Ryder <mryder1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Adam
>>
>> Have you looked at Tivoli (Now Spectrum Protect)?  My environment isn't
>> as large as yours, but from what I've heard it scales well.  We use it to
>> backup both Linux and Windows VMs and physical hosts.
>>
>> The add-on Tivoli Data Protector for Virtual Environments is the magic
>> smoke that adds features like block-level incremental backups, instant
>> restores and other goodies.
>>
>>
>> https://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/mobile/#!/SS8TDQ_7.1.3/ve.user/c_ve_overview_tsmnode.html
>>
>> Scaling out involving multiple data movers per vCenter is possible, and
>> there are many ways to tune and filter how they operate, such as max number
>> of simultaneous jobs per datastore, per esxi host, etc.
>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions- I'll try to answer them or can put
>> you in touch with a great Tivoli community where you can find folks with
>> larger installations, more answers etc.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015, Adam Levin <levi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, I've got a question about how you backup your VM environment?
>>>
>>> We're using vSphere 5.5 and NetApp NAS for datastores.  We have about 75
>>> 8TB datastores, and about 2500 VMs.  The VMs are not distributed evenly
>>> because of service levels associated with the datastores.
>>>
>>> We're being told by various backup vendors that the main issue is the
>>> number of VMs per datastore, because quiescing lots of VMs and then taking
>>> a datastore snapshot can produce long wait times when rolling the qieusced
>>> images back in to the running VM.
>>>
>>> Our VM team is telling us that there is no current tool to manage the
>>> number of VMs per datastore, just the size of the datastores.
>>>
>>> So I'm curious what some common methods are for managing backups in a
>>> large VM environment. Do you just use agents and backup from within the
>>> VM?  Do you bother doing app consistent backups of the VMs or just snapshot
>>> the datastore and not worry about consistency?  Have you found a product
>>> that manages qiuescing and snapshots in a reasonable way?
>>>
>>> We've looked at NetBackup, Commvault and Veeam so far.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
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