| Date: | Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:21:35 -0700 (PDT) |
| From: | "Adam Zimowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |
| Subject: | Re: no time? |
| To: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| CC: | [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
This weekend was very busy for me, I had no time indeed. It was my daughter's 2nd birthday, and I spent most of the time away from the computer.
Anyway, I think it is a good idea for you to create your own community. OpenDating is not at this stage yet where building the dating community is the top priority. The priority for OpenDating for the next year or so is to write good code around Tapestry. It's very hard to write an enterprise application with sound architectural design. I see so much ugly PHP and Java code that it makes me wonder why good architecture is only taken seriously for commercially written web apps? 99% of PHP apps don't have a concpet of "separation of roles" so presentation code is mixed with business logic, DAOs, etc. So many open source java projects are still centered around pure servlet API, or outdated frameworks like Struts for instance. So I started OpenDating with the idea to write an enterprise web app that is of commercial quality but 100% open source. OpenDating is using Tapestry framework which is considered state of the art Java framework for web developement. It is one of those next-generation frameworks which makes coding fun and exciting. It allows graphic artists to work efficiently without worrying about embeded code. This will give OpenDating unseen before support for skins and GUI customisation. Version 0.1 although not packed with end-user features, provides several commercial quality features. OpenDating already supports session persistence in the clustered environment. That means application is scalable. If we have ten million members one day, they all will feel fast performance. I'm not sure if other dating solutions have been designed from scratch for this. OpenDating also supports multiple back-ends. I forsee future projects for 3rd party backends based on MySQL, HSQL, Hibertate and other database technologies. All this thanks to modern design patterns like dependency injection. Sure, it's easy to write a web app, but try to write one with all those concepts integrated, and suddenly you come to appreciate the amount of work and thinking it takes to get it up the ground. But that's what OpenDating is. It's a next-generation open source app that is modern, elegant, flexible and well performing from the start.
Coding, designing, architecting with fun and excitement is what the top priority for OpenDating right now. We're not concerned about building the members and actual "dating community" just yet. That won't happen for another year at least.
There is at least one other open source online dating project (based on PHP), and it's called "osdate" (http://www.tufat.com/script39.htm). Have you talked to these guys? Their product seems like it's more functionally complete than OpenDating is right now, although I'm not convinced their codebase and architecture is anything as solid, futuristic and flexible as what OpenDating has to offer with 0.1. But maybe they will be interested in doing something with you?
So to summarise, I think we need to give OpenDating some time to evolve because it's design and architecture are truly exciting. The code has a potential to truly shine in the Java open source community. At this point, these are our priorities, the most important listed first:
Goal # 1) Absolutely most important OpenDating goal: HAVE FUN writing code.
Goal # 2) Develop OpenDating around Tapestry. Write beatuful, elegant code and grow the system to complete version 1.0.
Goal # 3) Grow the developement community: Tapestry and Java developers, graphic artists. There are many Tapestry people looking for open source projects, because there aren't any open source products based on Tapestry. So that won't be a problem for OpenDating to find developers. Hey, take a look at our SourceForge download page, quite a few people are already playing with the code! And the code has been posted so recently.
Goal # 4) Release version 0.1 on time as scheduled (see our website).
Goal # 5) Marketing and growing actual dating community.
As you can see Ingmar, what you're proposing is a distant goal # 5. Way at the bottom of our priority list. We can certainly work together, but please understand, we are passionate Java programmers which like to write beatuful, elegant code around a truly futuristic framework called Tapestry.
Hope this clarifies this topic.
Kind Regards,
Adam Zimowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Adam,-------------------------------------------------------------
unfortunately you don't write us. No time?
Now we will create a new wikimedia software, so that all people around the
world can work together for the freedom of love in the internet. New design,
new code. Only what's good in the old wikimedia will be in Wikimedia 2
software for dating and friends.
Why didn't create you the developer basis? It was in your hand to be the
first software admin. OpenDating have no community and in the last months
you don't want to work with other people together, which want the same. I
have tries hard.
Now the project will start inside of one of the greatest communitys in the
internet.
And there would be no problem for you to run your own dating service on
OpenDating.org with the software after development.
On your Blog we read: "the aim for this service is to be the absolute number
one in the world."
Maybe that the reason why you don't want to work with other together? You
want your own open source software, your own organisation, your own success?
That is what we read on your blog, which keeps secret, that you are not
alone and that we tries hard to bring you together with other people.
We don't want our own software, our own organisation and our own success. We
only want team-intelligence, team-work and the success of all people
together for the same goal.
Only if the people working together, maybe there is a chance to create a new
star like wikipedia. It's not sure, but only on this way it could be
possible to break the commercial love and dating monopol in the world.
Ingmar
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--- Begin Message ---Hi Jimmy, Kat, Angela, Lisa... I understand Adam and his last answer (please see below). But what can we do now?Maybe we could integrate opendating.org as the software development site in the forum, before we (if Jimmy wants it to) promote the project in the open source community? Or is that to early because of Google? Or general not a good idea? Adam have build a plenary developer ambiance. But for this Adam should be promise that opendating.org go not own ways without the founding community and potential partners and that "opendating.org" is not the final name for the intire project, because there is no name at this time for the final goal. It must be only for the collectively software development process or we must start unfortunately (for Adam) a new developer ambiance. I give up now and I will wait on your suggestions. Adam work with JAVA and only open source software: http://www.opendating.org/app?page=About&service=page Give my love to all and thanks for your time, also to Adam, Ingmar --- > Adam Zimowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think I understand your english ok. Sure, I'm open to suggestions. Do > you want me to join some type of your forum or something? Do you want me to > talk to somebody? I don't have much time for stuff like this. I have a full > time job during the day, and I'm coding opendating at night. > > Just remember that I started opendating project mainly because I want to > do some fun programming. I chose dating because I think it's a fun subject > to write a web application on. I would be very happy if you want to join the > project, or if you'd like to bring some people to the project. But it is > not absolutely necessary. Even if nobody joins the project, OpenDating.org > would still be released, just not as fast. I like programming and it's a fun > hobby. > > Cheers, adam > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Adam, > > the problem is a fixed name and that there is a single fixed founder. > Before > 4 weeks I write you some visions and you write me back, that you have you > own thougts. Before 4 weeks I have try to bring opendating.org together > with > people who like to run the same. > > But we can't bring people and projects together, if the single one say: > come > all and join my project. Can I say to Jimmy, to the Mozilla Foundation or > Google: Come and join the project from Adam? No. This people are big > capacities in the internet! Here you can't say: join my project. You must > first create a forum and bring the potential partners together. > > All the people have ideas. If you want to win people, you must be open for > there ideas and try to have no fixed names. That is why Im not promote a > fixed project. I only try with my little stimulating thougts to promote > the > freedom of love in the internet, like Wikipedia for free culture and > knowledge. And if the people and the potential partners comes together in > a > forum and want such a project, they will work together and later they will > find together a name for the project. Maybe it's opendating.org (a good > name), maybe wikidates, maybe a other name. I don't know. And if the > public > say: we don't want such a project, ok, then not. > > Adam, you are not alone. As Jimmy founded Wikipedia, he was alone. That is > a > other situation. If you say today: "I have a fixed name, a fixed project, > a fixed founder and i want to run a global project", you can't win > potential > partners, also if it's for a realy good goal. > > I don't know if you understand me Adam. But I think I have try my best, > or? > Maybe it's my not so good english? ... > > Ingmar > > --- > > Adam Zimowski wrote: > > > > To be honest, I'm not sure what you want from me. On the project page I > > always say "we" not "me or I". We have setup the project mailing list. > The > > sourceforge page is setup and code is posted, the infostructure for > mutual > > collaboration is all there. On www.opendating.org/dev/ we encourage > > everyone to join the project. So what's the problem? > > > > If you want to join the project, or have people that know Java, HTML or > > anything that may help to develop the project, tell them to join. Have > them > > sign up for the mailing list and start coding. I could use help. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Adam, > > > > thanks for your fast answere. > > Yes I have seen your first little software preview. :) > > Very good! A good start for the software development. > > > > The problem is only: we must work all together, not alone. You work > mostly > > alone on this time, you have a fulltime job and two kids. Can you > > understand > > what I mean? If you say: "I make my own way", we must create a > competition > > software. I wouldn't like it, if we must. Competition and egoism is not > > good. That is what I try to write you before 4 weeks? :) > > > > There are two points: to create the best software and to create a global > > community for the freedom of love in the internet, if the people want > it. > > The second point is the biggest dare. The best software have no sense, > if > > they would use only on little sites or only in the open source male > > community or on a big site without fake control and without global > > promotion > > and partnerships. > > > > That is why we should bring the work together now, so that there is no > > need > > to be in competition with the software. :) > > > > What do you think? > > > > Have a good day Adam... > > > > Ingmar > > > > > > --- > > > Adam Zimowski wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > OpenDating.org is a free software project. It is open source. The > > > developer preview release 0.1 is out. The source code has been > posted, > > it's all > > > out there available to everyone. That's what open source is all about. > > Have > > > you seen www.opendating.org and www.opendating.org/dev/ ? > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Adam, > > > > > > my last 2 weeks was very prosperous. > > > > > > You should not go a "own way" Adam. Several ways produce not good > > results, > > > if there is a chance for team/collective intelligence. > > > > > > Jimmy Wales will support such a project. We have create a forum and if > > the > > > people want such a global project, we will create partnerships > worldwide > > > with major organisations and support wikipedia. Also Jimmy will speak > on > > > radiostations. Im verry delighted over his open appearance, also if he > > > have > > > not a lot of time. > > > > > > The problem is: there is no need for a simple new free dating site in > > the > > > world Adam. Also if its open source or a wiki. The vision must be > > bigger. > > > > > > For example: You must have a effective fake control. And such a > control > > > will > > > cost hundreds of thousands dollars. > > > > > > Beyond the national and international promotion this is a point. > Without > > > fake control you get only a big > > > fake dating site. Also commercial projects have this problem, becouse > > they > > > don't control women. But we must control all men's and women with the > > > registration, so that the people know, that they can find worldwide > > > serious > > > singles and friends for free on a free platform, where everyone can > > > contribute and edit in all languages. > > > > > > So I'm in hope that you not want to go a selfish way. There is no need > > as > > > you can see. > > > > > > The administration of the software development isn't taken. > > > You should get involved Adam. > > > > > > Bye, > > > > > > Ingmar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > > > countries) for 2�/min or less. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! 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