Well, Andreas, I hate to say it, but I am the man of your dreams! :-)  I
have already integrated the Spring transaction/ORM support into HiveMind.
HiveTranse basically took a "grow your own" strategy, because the author
wasn't familiar with Spring (at least that's what I remember being one of
the reasons Jean-Francois gave).  Don't get me wrong, he's done a great job.
But, maybe I'm just lazier than he is, because I decided to just adapt the
Spring stuff which I already know works into HiveMind.  The code for this
stuff will be moving over to the Honeycomb project very soon (I need to
change my package names and check the stuff into SVN).  We are going to try
to make Honeycomb the one-stop-shopping place for HiveMind modules.  So, it
will have many inter-connected subprojects (or modules).  So, you'll have a
choice.  You can use HiveTranse or you can use the Honeycomb modules (once
they're available).  

-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Bulling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Andreas Bulling
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 5:17 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: I have a dream...

Spring may provide all of the things on my list of wishes already...
I don't know as I only tried to use it for several days and changed
to Hivemind as it's the tool Tapestry is build upon/uses and I don't
need most of Spring's stuff (at least not at the moment).

That's why I wrote that I dream of having something similar
for _Hivemind_: Because Tapestry is based on Hivemind and I don't want
to be forced to use Spring if I don't need all the other stuff.

To come back to my original statement:
Perhaps we could adapt the code from Spring which handles
sessions/transactions/persistent objects and include it into
Hivemind? I don't know the internals of Hivetranse - perhaps
this is already a project which takes this way?

Perhaps if we can agree on HiveTranse as a possible basis for
further development (actually I have to say that I have _nearly_
no problems concerning sessions/transactions using HiveTranse)

There was another thread on this list some days ago - what should
be changed/included into HiveTranse, the OpenSessionInView pattern
for example, a data squeezer, what else?

But by all means I didn't want to start another Hivemind vs. Spring flamewar
so please keep calm ;)

Cheers,
  Andreas

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