Question: if there were an exciting open source enterprise level web application that is based on Tapestry (and also Spring), and which could appeal to general public....
Would this be something that: 1) you'd consider in helping to grow (develop) 2) you'd consider as possibly a source of good documentation on Tapestry Just curious. On 3/3/06, Jason Suplizio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm in the middle of a comprehensive review for my employer of our team's > Tapestry experience. Although much praise went to Kent, Howard, and for all > the help from the committers/developers on this list (thank you), the lack > of documentation was a common theme through the evaluation (esp. Hivemind) > that prevents us from expanding our adoption into other applications. > > But, hell, I worked on C#/VB .Net for the 2 years prior to this last year an > lemme tell you, the MS documentation is horrible and often totally > inaccurate. So, for not being the Sun or MS, the Tapestry team has an > outstanding job and deserves serious kudos. The documentation short-comings, > however, makes the learning curve feel infinitely steep. > > > On 3/3/06, Peter Svensson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > <agnostic>Amen!</agnostic> Could someone just for crying out loud at the > > very least finish the api documentation with short examples on the main > > site. > > I would if I could but I can't so I won't. > > > > Sorry to be obnoxious. > > > > Cheers, > > PS > > > > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Last month, I generated numerous e-mails on this list about dynamic > > > components. After a lot of hair pulling, because a lot of tooth > > pulling, > > > I finally figured out how to do the whole block/for/if/db > > solution. Yes, > > > this solution is pretty annoying; especially to a dev who is more > > > concerned about getting his product out the door than adhering to a > > design > > > dogma. > > > > > > However, I think the tragic flaw is not in the difficulty of the > > > block/for/if solution, but in its lack of documentation. It seems to be > > > well understood by a few Tapestry gurus, but a complex secret to us lay > > > folks. > > > > > > I believe that Tapestry would be best served not by rushing to fix bugs > > in > > > 4.0 or forge ahead to 4.1, but by providing exhaustive > > documentation--the > > > majority of which should be examples. We spend *so much* time working > > > through Tapestry's unique behavior because we have very few points of > > > reference from which to draw. Tapestry in Action is a decent > > start. Kent > > > Tong's book is a better start (IMHO). But there needs to be more > > > information. More examples. We've almost completely shelved the idea > > of > > > going to 4.0 for a long time (we're coding in 3.0.3) because we believe > > it > > > needs to stabilize AND because there are fewer examples available than > > > 3.0.3. Why fight that battle anew? > > > > > > I've come to appreciate Tapestry & have found a certain amount of > > > efficiency to it, but only after a steep learning curve and plenty of > > > frustration. Two examples: dynamic components and application catalogs. > > > Dynamic components is possible, but there's no clear set of examples or > > > documentation. Application catalogs are documented, but don't > > work. The > > > workaround is *brutal*, but possible....if you're willing to go it > > alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Todd Orr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > 03/03/2006 08:45 AM > > > Please respond to > > > "Tapestry users" <tapestry-user@jakarta.apache.org> > > > > > > > > > To > > > "Tapestry users" <tapestry-user@jakarta.apache.org> > > > cc > > > > > > Subject > > > Re: How to improve Tapestry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMHO, the biggest feature that Tapestry is missing is solid dynamic > > > component generation. Time and time again you'll see devs asking the > > > same question in the forums, "how do I dynamically generate..." Each > > > time someone points out the block, the for, or the if constructs. Yet > > > these always seem way more difficult than they should be. Even with > > > these tools, content management systems are notoriously difficult to > > > build with Tapestry. Since Tapestry makes most things easier, this > > > seems to be ironic. I began using Tapestry because most of my > > > development time was cut in half, but the dynamic form development > > > tasks I had to perform were tripled in time! Now, I could be the > > > crappiest dev on earth, but I doubt it considering all the trouble > > > everyone else has with this task and Tapestry. Because Tapestry is > > > static, the very idea of dynamic components seems to leave a bad taste > > > in Howard's mouth (and the mouths of die-hard enthusiasts). Yet it > > > shouldn't, dynamic form generation is a very real, and fairly common > > > task. It should be a first class citizen in the land of Tapestry. > > > > > > Just to make sure the tone of this post isn't misunderstood: I love > > > Tapestry. Yet, everything can stand some measure of > > > improvement/rethinking. > > > > > > On 3/3/06, Mark Stang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Look at http://www.nextapp.com (a.k.a. echo2). > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Apache [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Fri 3/3/2006 5:04 AM > > > > To: tapestry-user@jakarta.apache.org > > > > Subject: How to improve Tapestry > > > > > > > > I think Tapestry already makes a big step forward > > > > but still there is a lot of things that could be made more dynamic and > > > free programmers of templates and component definitions. > > > > > > > > In my opinion everything could be in the database instead of > > > configuration files. > > > > > > > > In my idea world there should only be Java Classes > > > > and no XML/Html/Page files. > > > > > > > > I only want to tell the system to "genrate a form with the fields I > > tell > > > you" and to tell it which fields are editable - the rest should be done > > > automatically. Maybe you could tell how to order or align them, but I > > dont > > > want to write any html templates. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- m2f -------------------- > > > > > > > > Sent from www.TapestryForums.com > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: <<topic_link>> > > > > > > > > http://www.tapestryforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=14479#14479 > > > > > > > > -------------------- m2f -------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
