This is all a bunch of hot air. Howard is doing what he thinks he needs to do in order to defend Tapestry interests. I'm sure he wasn't talking down to anyone.
Geoff On 1/10/06, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sure Howard's email was meant for the few overly ambitious zealout type > of users that will sometimes blindly fight or insight flaming in a way that > makes tapestry look weird. (I'm sure I've personally done this a few times > at one point or another in my life..) > > Is it really this important? Who cares.. Cut him a break, he did create this > awesome framework for us :) > > On 1/10/06, kranga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > These guidelines are nothing new. The essential principles are: > > > > 1) People respond to criticism negatively, however wrong they are and > > however right you are. This is true of the person on death-row, the white > > color criminal, the 80 year old grandma. Therefore, don't criticize. > > 2) Never debate using empty superlatives. E.g. this framework is > > faster/easier/nicer/ etc. This implies that you are making the judgment > > for > > others. Simply present what you like about your framework, just the raw > > facts. If your readers aren't smart enough to deduce that your feature is > > an > > improvement over the other frameworks, then they aren't worth evangelizing > > too! > > 3) Everyone wants to hear real-world stories. Lots of framework ideas look > > good on paper and fall apart in production. > > > > > > That said, what's with the shipping with 50 components. I'd hardly call > > the > > form a component, even if it is built as a component. Do you seriously > > think > > a framework could exist without that? Its like an HTML editor software > > claiming they support 50 HTML tags! > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lindsay Steele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Tapestry users" <tapestry-user@jakarta.apache.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:49 AM > > Subject: Re: Tapestry 4.0 Release Notice on TheServerSide > > > > > > >I think Howards email was great, you take what you want out of it. > > > > > > I think everyone can agree that the more Tapestry flourishes, the better > > > it is for it's users and the product itself. Like many things, > > > being a good product alone is not aways good enough to ensure reasonable > > > popularity - good marketing is always helpful. > > > > > > The thing is, unlike some other new frameworks, Tapestry doesn't have > > a > > > big corporate entity that can throw all sorts > > > of resources at it for marketing purposes. To a certain extent > > > marketing has to be done by the users and giving them > > > a few friendly tips on how to market it better is not going to hurt. > > > > > > Good on Howard for giving people a heads up on news items, tips on good > > > honest marketing and encouraging people to get the word out there. > > > > > > Francis Amanfo wrote: > > > > > >>Howard, > > >> > > >>This is really cheating! We are all grown ups and need no suggetions as > > to > > >>how we should compose our e-mails. We are not babies that need to be > > spoon > > >>fed. > > >> > > >>F > > >> > > >>On 1/9/06, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>>Please visit the article, > > >>>http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=38407 , and > > >>>show your support for Tapestry. > > >>> > > >>>Guidelines: > > >>> > > >>>No bashing of other frameworks. > > >>> > > >>>No flamewars. Be polite. Many will have closed minds and belligerant > > >>>attitudes. They can not be saved from themselves, and will be first > > >>>against the wall when the revolution comes. > > >>> > > >>>Simple is better. Say something like "I just discoverred Tapestry > > >>>after using StrutsWorkMVC and was amazed at how fast my productivity > > >>>skyrocketted. The fact that you can <insert favorite feature here> is > > >>>simply amazing. I highly recommend Tapestry." > > >>> > > >>>People will respond to anecodotes better than vague praise. For > > >>>example "When you make mistakes, Tapestry does an amazing job of > > >>>presenting the exception to you, with a flood of data about the > > >>>request and session, and even a snippet from the template file > > >>>highlighting the error." This is better than "Tapestry error handling > > >>>is better." > > >>> > > >>>If you use Tapestry or have ever benefitted from support on the user > > >>>mailing list, this is your chance to take five minutes and pay back > > >>>some of the effort the Tapestry team has invested in the community. > > >>>Major releases are a chance to generate more excitement around > > >>>Tapestry. > > >>> > > >>>-- > > >>>Howard M. 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