To be honest, the wizards in Spindle are the part I like building the least. The builder is cool, the editors are neat, the wizards are drudgery.
Geoff On 12/12/05, Patrick Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd love to see some sort of form generation wizard that was > integrated with either hibernate or just a simple POJO. > > e.g. > > "Build me a form to display an example of <package>.<class>" > > And then have the wizard introspect the class, determine the fields > and types, and then create widgets as appropriate. > > Nobody would use the result as an end product, but just getting the > fields on the form in an ugly vertical layout would get you about 40% of the > way there. > > --- Pat > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geoff Longman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:01 PM > > To: Tapestry users > > Subject: Re: Further simplifying Tapestry (was: tapestry to JSF > > conversion) > > > > On 12/12/05, Paul Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > And wizards are helpful when you are not familiar with the > > > > application of > > > > the tool, they are a friendly introduction to doing something. > > > > > > Agreed, but ideally, the tool should be so elegant and self- > > > explanatory that its natural interface is itself a friendly > > > introduction. Obviously that's idealistic, but as ideals go, I think > > > it's a good one. > > > > > > My point is really that if you find yourself building a wizard, you > > > should first ask yourself what in your design makes a wizard > > > necessary, and see if can be simplified. > > > > Ok, I'll jump into this one with both feet using Tap3 and Spindle as an > > example. > > > > The new Component Wizard...oi > > > > In the default configuration you enter a name, have the option of > > choosing a project/namespace, indicate that a template should be > > generated (or not) . > > > > Pretty simple. The component is generated into the default location in > > the application - context/WEB-INF (for application, colocated with a > > library file if not) I believe off the top of my head. > > > > If one does not move to the second page, the component will be > > specificed to use the BaseComponent as a class. The second page is > > choose a class/create a class - not worth discussing. > > > > However the first page has grown into a morass of crud because there > > are so many different places one can put things. So much stuff that I > > had to add a Show/Hide advanced options button. Put it anywhere you > > want and the wizard will update the .application/.library file if > > necessary. > > Use a custom template to generate the spec/template if you like. > > > > It's messy and I've deliberately avoided adding more features as I'm > > of the belief the wizard was becoming LESS useful the more doodads > > were added. > > > > I'm a long way off from the Tap 4 redo of the wizards and frankly I > > think it's going to be worse (have no facts to back that up as of > > yet). > > > > I know I know blah blah. The point is the more you want it to do, the > > less useful it becomes (and more bug prone). And if you add everything > > the people ask for the tool itself becomes an impediment to learning > > the framework. > > > > Geoff > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- The Spindle guy. http://spindle.sf.net Get help with Spindle: http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/spindle-user Announcement Feed: http://www.jroller.com/rss/glongman?catname=/Announcements Feature Updates: http://spindle.sf.net/updates --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
