On Dec 8, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Cosmin Bucur wrote:
yea it did look like notepad , but it was generating code , files ,
directories on the fly .
TextMate is the "IDE" of choice for RoR developers on Macs, and the
one typically seen in the RoR videos.
RDT for Eclipse is supposedly quite good as well.
Glorified notepad indeed! Long live simplicity.
Erik
Konstantin i personally can't see the link yahoo won't let me
On 12/8/05, Patrick Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There's an IDE for rails now? What's it called? Last time I
looked
at it I was programming in a glorified version of notepad. (and I
think
somebody mentioned there's an eclipse plugin now).
--- Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Cosmin Bucur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:32 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
I nevevr tried coding rails ... but i did watch some of the demos
and
it looks promising , at the same time restrictive . Not sure about
ruby as a language .
I think however that what Ruby on Rails has is a great IDE . I
mean we
have all of that stuff arrond tapestry , and a whole lot more .
But there are no such ide's that help with automating tasks that
much
. Creating files for you when you declare them , creating blank
methods , templates ...
IDEA can do some of this with some configuration . Eclipse can do
some
of this with more configuration . But still nothing out of the
box ...
I think that's the only real plus .
I wouldn't even have looked at it , but I recently read beyond java
by Bruce Tate whom ussualy is a great reference for lightweight java
stuff . And he was praising ruby on rails .
Anywais glad i brought it up with you guys , since there is a lot
more
collective knowledge here
On 12/8/05, Gentry, Michael (Contractor)
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wrote:
Yes, you wouldn't want to de-Rail the discussion, after all ...
-----Original Message-----
From: Cosmin Bucur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:16 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
you know ... to throw the discusion COMPLETLY offtopic now
On 12/8/05, Cosmin Bucur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
since we're discussing efficient development with .net , i
thought i'd
shoot the question ummm ....
what do you guys think of Ruby on Rails ?
On 12/8/05, Patrick Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Please see comments below :).
-----Original Message-----
From: Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
Well actually you can download Java and buy MyEclipse for $30.
Now you actually have a point... but the problem is, what
happens
when
it just doesn't work? When you pop in the .NET CDs, start
developing,
and notice you don't have good internationalization, that your
pages
suck at web standards (yeah, those BGCOLOR properties in Visual
Studio
are just *great*!) and that if you want a little bit from the
"way
they
do it" (i'm not saying "the right way to do it" because it's NOT
the
right way!) you can't do nothing. Ahh... if you want to see the
source
code because the documentation's lacking ?
I agree about 80% with what you have to say; I find
programming in
.net to be sort of like using public transport. It gets me 80% of
the way
there very efficiently, but then I'm ****** and have to walk the
last half
mile through the rain. .NET definitely has a ".net" way of doing
things and
god help you if you want to stray from the path.
If you're willing to live within those restrictions
though,
it
works. I've yet to run into something I flat *couldn't* do with
.net. It was
usually more that I couldn't do it the way I wanted to do it
and the
.net
way was very microsofty and weird. That's a question of taste
through rather
than functionality in my book.
Also, (and I can't vouch for this personally because I was
never a
VB jockey), my suspicion is that a lot of the .NETism that you
and I
think
are just f-ing wonkers, and probably familiar VB paradigms
that make
perfect
sense to folks who have a MS background.
What I value most of the Java community is your chance to
actually
make
a difference in what you need and what's the best way of doing
things
(well in almost every project but the
dictatorial-managed-Hibernate
one). It's the "open source" part what I like the most - not
quite
the
technology, which I find lacking in some areas.
I enjoy that as well, but I can't claim it's a business
reason to
recommend an OS stack. "Hey boss, can we use java and tapestry
instead of
.net because I'll get a kick out of working on tapestry and, who
knows, I
might be able to contribute some code back to the commuity."
"It'll let me develop faster" is a business case.
"It'll let me develop less buggy code" is a business case.
"It's backed by the world's largest software company and
we'll
always have somebody to call if it breaks" is a business case.
"It'll run 3X as fast" may, or may not, be a business
case.
"I like playing with open source" is not, unfortunately, a
business
case :).
--- Pat
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