The fact is, a good developer who is working with a cutting edge platform can switch to another cutting edge platform without much trouble and it should never really be an issue when hiring someone unless you are under some serious time constraints. Microsoft is a great example of this. You learn a lot more switching between platforms than you do sticking with just one. Having worked on/with many of these platforms I can honestly say Tapestry has something special. It may not be as feature complete as .NET (in fact I don't know that java is even as complete as C# these days) but it has picked the most important problems to solve and done so very elegantly (thanks Howard). With the new extensibility of 4.0 I think you would be foolish not to develop on the platform if Job Security was the only reason. Kris
Cosmin Bucur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I nevevr tried coding rails ... but i did watch some of the demos and it looks promising , at the same time restrictive . Not sure about ruby as a language . I think however that what Ruby on Rails has is a great IDE . I mean we have all of that stuff arrond tapestry , and a whole lot more . But there are no such ide's that help with automating tasks that much . Creating files for you when you declare them , creating blank methods , templates ... IDEA can do some of this with some configuration . Eclipse can do some of this with more configuration . But still nothing out of the box ... I think that's the only real plus . I wouldn't even have looked at it , but I recently read beyond java by Bruce Tate whom ussualy is a great reference for lightweight java stuff . And he was praising ruby on rails . Anywais glad i brought it up with you guys , since there is a lot more collective knowledge here On 12/8/05, Gentry, Michael (Contractor) wrote: > Yes, you wouldn't want to de-Rail the discussion, after all ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cosmin Bucur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:16 PM > To: Tapestry users > Subject: Re: tapestry to JSF conversion > > > you know ... to throw the discusion COMPLETLY offtopic now > > On 12/8/05, Cosmin Bucur wrote: > > since we're discussing efficient development with .net , i thought i'd > > shoot the question ummm .... > > > > what do you guys think of Ruby on Rails ? > > > > On 12/8/05, Patrick Casey wrote: > > > > > > Please see comments below :). > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM > > > > To: Tapestry users > > > > Subject: Re: tapestry to JSF conversion > > > > > > > > Well actually you can download Java and buy MyEclipse for $30. > > > > > > > > Now you actually have a point... but the problem is, what happens > when > > > > it just doesn't work? When you pop in the .NET CDs, start > developing, > > > > and notice you don't have good internationalization, that your > pages > > > > suck at web standards (yeah, those BGCOLOR properties in Visual > Studio > > > > are just *great*!) and that if you want a little bit from the "way > they > > > > do it" (i'm not saying "the right way to do it" because it's NOT > the > > > > right way!) you can't do nothing. Ahh... if you want to see the > source > > > > code because the documentation's lacking ? > > > > > > I agree about 80% with what you have to say; I find > programming in > > > .net to be sort of like using public transport. It gets me 80% of > the way > > > there very efficiently, but then I'm ****** and have to walk the > last half > > > mile through the rain. .NET definitely has a ".net" way of doing > things and > > > god help you if you want to stray from the path. > > > If you're willing to live within those restrictions though, > it > > > works. I've yet to run into something I flat *couldn't* do with > .net. It was > > > usually more that I couldn't do it the way I wanted to do it and the > .net > > > way was very microsofty and weird. That's a question of taste > through rather > > > than functionality in my book. > > > Also, (and I can't vouch for this personally because I was > never a > > > VB jockey), my suspicion is that a lot of the .NETism that you and I > think > > > are just f-ing wonkers, and probably familiar VB paradigms that make > perfect > > > sense to folks who have a MS background. > > > > > > > > > > > What I value most of the Java community is your chance to actually > make > > > > a difference in what you need and what's the best way of doing > things > > > > (well in almost every project but the > dictatorial-managed-Hibernate > > > > one). It's the "open source" part what I like the most - not quite > the > > > > technology, which I find lacking in some areas. > > > > > > I enjoy that as well, but I can't claim it's a business > reason to > > > recommend an OS stack. "Hey boss, can we use java and tapestry > instead of > > > .net because I'll get a kick out of working on tapestry and, who > knows, I > > > might be able to contribute some code back to the commuity." > > > > > > "It'll let me develop faster" is a business case. > > > "It'll let me develop less buggy code" is a business case. > > > "It's backed by the world's largest software company and > we'll > > > always have somebody to call if it breaks" is a business case. > > > "It'll run 3X as fast" may, or may not, be a business case. > > > > > > "I like playing with open source" is not, unfortunately, a > business > > > case :). > > > > > > --- Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
