Well, for my part, I'd rather spend my time deleting a message on how to extend my battery life then having to read this message. I'd suggest going off line and taking it up with the list moderators.

BTW, although extending the battery life of a cell phone is technically off topic, it may still be of interest to Talks users since Talks is an application that's always running, it's turning on the speaker and adding to the general drain on the battery which a sighted user isn't going to have to deal with. Also, as a screen reader, Talks is an intregal part of using the phone for a blind person, so I think a list like this should be somewhat flexible on what is and isn't off topic, otherwise, enforcing what is and isn't on topic could overwhelm the rest of the discussions on the list.

This is also a relatively low traffic list, so I don't see a need to be too draconian when enforcing on topic discussions.

I agree that people with questions on other screen readers should be steered towards other more appropriate lists.

--

Christopher
chalt...@gmail.com


On 3/18/2011 6:07 AM, Saqib wrote:
This whole thread is off topic. No one is talking about Talks. It's amazing how some people get away with it and others don't. I joined this list because of the knowledge it provides. I didn't join it so I would get off topic messages like phone batteries and their usage. Not to mention the Iphone related discussions that have been going on.
Original message:
Chris,

Not sure about #1 but I do applaud your generosity in sharing ideas.

You assert that connecting the phone to ac mains at 13 Amps vs. USB at 1/2 Amp helps to keep your battery healthy. Based on my EE studies, the amount
of current (Amps) available to a device does not mean that the device is
consuming or having to cope with all that current. The amount of charging
current going to a battery is dictated by the charging device (USB or a
wall-wart) and each are designed with current-limiting circuitry. This is dictated by Ohm's Law E=IR. The amount of current delivered to a battery is
a function of the amount of voltage and the effective resistance in the
circuit handling that voltage. Simply put, even if ac mains looks like a
3-inch diameter water hose, ready to drench your flowers with water coming in at a rate of 20 gallons per minute, attaching a 1/4-inch hose to the end
of it will restrict the total volume of water that can flow to a much
smaller amount, such as 20 Fl Oz per minute. Water flowing through a hose is
the same principle as electrical current, which is coulombs per second.

So unless your wall-wart is defective and delivers a short-circuit to allow 120 (or 220) Vac to directly couple to your phone,you won't get more than
the recommended amount of current delivered to the battery.

Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris hallsworth" <christopher...@googlemail.com>
To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 15:47
Subject: Re: [Talks] Two battery saving recommendations


Hi all.
I admit to my somewhat incorrect wording of the recommendation. I mean
any applications that are running in the background can drain battery
power very quickly. This could include Joikuspot Lite, a program to
allow your phone to act as a wireless hotspot, and so on.
Sorry about that. Yes, it's the application that are *running*, not just
installed.
Take care.


Chris Hallsworth

On 17/03/2011 21:19, Stephen Giggar wrote:
Number 2 doesn't make any since at all! You can have hundreds of
programs installed on your phone and just because they are installed
isn't going to cause the phone to use any more battery power unless you
start them and they run in the background. This has been the case for
all the phone out there.

Myself, I have about 40 to 50 things showing up in the App. Manager.
Things like Skype may add 5 or more items on it's own when you install
it. The KNFBReader Mobile Software could add another 5 or so items to
the App. Manager. YBrowser depending on the version and things you
install could add another 3 or so items. The VCM voices will add I think
about 2 items per voice. So for all the English items that could be
another 14 items.

So what you are saying is this would cause the phone to use more battery just because they are installed. That isn't true being they aren't doing
anything unless you use them.

Signed: Stephen Giggar
Skype: dr-phone.

Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works.
No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design.

----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth"
<christopher...@googlemail.com>
To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 3:10 PM
Subject: [Talks] Two battery saving recommendations


Hello all.
I wish to recommend two ways of saving your battery power.
1. Instead of charging your phone via mains, charge it via USB, where
possible. It will do your phone's battery a world of good, since USB
draws a lot less power than mains, 500 miliamps and 13 amps
respectively. Also, enable power saving mode on your phone. This sets
your phone to use the battery's optimum life.
2. Look in your phone's application manager. If you see anything
unusual, go ahead and remove it. The absolute minimum you should have
on your phone are Talks, Talks Core and your chosen synthesizer, mine
being Eloquence. I discovered the hard way that the more apps I have
on my phone, the more it can drain the battery, depending on the app
of course.
Hope these help.
Take care.
--

Chris Hallsworth
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