As discussed in this Practical Engineering episode <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPwY-FTqWxM>, the publicly visible nature of the electrical grid makes security through obscurity very difficult if not impossible. He notes that ballistic-resistant walls around transformers are a likely future change to protect transformers from these sorts of attacks from covert off-site locations.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:48 PM john whelan <[email protected]> wrote: > I seem to recall there are fewer rifles per head of population in the UK. > The problem is more a North American one although with the ease of which > guns can be 3D printed it could be a UK eventually. > > On a side issue I wonder if Microsoft's building detector could pick out > telephone boxes in the UK? > > Cheerio John > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 12:40 Nick Whitelegg <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Even still, the location of major substations (e.g the 400-132kv type) >> isn't really a secret. I could reel off quite a few in the UK without even >> looking at a map. >> >> Nick >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* john whelan <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* 19 January 2023 17:38 >> *To:* Nick Whitelegg <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and >> powerlines? >> >> I accept powerlines are fine and visible on other maps but the case for >> transformers isn't quite so strong. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 12:15 Nick Whitelegg via talk < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> I thought the whole point of OSM was to map the ground truth? >> >> Power lines are there, and they are an important navigational aid when >> out walking or hiking. >> >> And besides, just about every commercial mapping provider that I've used >> shows them. The OS does, as do maps that I've seen in a range of >> continental European countries. >> >> Nick >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* john whelan <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* 19 January 2023 03:03 >> *To:* OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines? >> >> Apparently you can do a lot of expensive damage by firing a rifle bullet >> through them as happened more than once in the US and given the situation >> in Europe at the moment is there a risk that something similar could happen >> there? >> >> Should we have a process that says some things should not be mapped? >> >> I seem to recall that the location of the pipeline that supplies aviation >> fuel to airports is considered an official secret in the UK. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thanks John >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.openstreetmap.org%2Flistinfo%2Ftalk&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C976f4ceec26941fdf68a08dafa43f19b%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638097466969506677%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Wnt8Dqlivd%2F9kn3Npf%2BfPSCc2w8ZSGkGBI1hNvtsuRc%3D&reserved=0> >> >> _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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