On 25 May 2020, at 01:45, Mateusz Konieczny via talk <[email protected]> wrote: > May 25, 2020, 00:36 by [email protected]: >> >> I would argue that non-gated driveways are often closer to >> access=destination than they are to access=private. >> >> According to the wiki, private requires individual permission, which I can't >> give to the mailman / delivery person, but I still want them to make their >> deliveries on my doorstep. > I would describe delivery part as > > "I have given individual permission to delivery person by requesting delivery"
Not all deliveries are actively requested, and the delivery person can't know if you requested it or not. Therefore, access=private as a _default_ for driveways seems wrong to me. > Random person driving to my house and trying to sell me random items would > not be covered by such permission and unwanted and violating access rules, > right? > > Such peddler would be allowed by access=destination (any non-transit > traffic allowed). Exactly. In the jurisdictions I'm familiar with, such traffic is in fact generally allowed on driveways. However, some driveways are behind a locked gate or clearly signed as "private / no trespassing" (which is legally equivalent in some jurisdictions). Such cases should qualify for an _explicit_ access=private tag. Delivery to your doorstep might then be impossible, unless there's like a bell at the gate that can be used by the delivery person to obtain individual permission. So, access=private for driveways is not necessarily wrong, it's but probably somewhat rare. Your new language about this on the access=* page seems fine to me: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:access&oldid=1994851#Road_with_restricted_access FWIW, I'm less happy with the current state of the access=private page. But I'm not sure if consensus exists to clarify it. -- Arne Johannessen <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Arne_Johannessen> _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
