I believe I speak for many, most, or even all of us here (except Tomek) that "this is a settled matter." SteveA
> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Tomek <[email protected]> wrote: > > W dniu 20-02-25 o 19:57, Maarten Deen pisze: >> You are forcing (or are trying to) me and a lot of others to learn >> Esperanto. That's just the same. More people speak English than Esperanto. >> Then what is the more logical choice? > Esperanto estas pli logika por internacia komunikado pro ĝia neŭtreco kaj > simpleco. > Esperanto estas pli logika por internacia komunikado pro ĝia neŭtreco kaj > simpleco. > > W dniu 20-02-25 o 19:57, Maarten Deen pisze: >> If you don't want to read english and you have no problem putting every mail >> into a translator, than why not do that? >> Just don't get mad if other people do not want to do that. You can't force >> other people to use a translator just because you choose not to write in >> English. > Tiu ĉi rilato estu simetria: mi ne devigos al aliaj uzi Esperanton aŭ la > polan, aliaj ne devigos al mi uzi la anglan. > This relationship should be symmetrical: I will not force others to use > Esperanto or Polish, others will not force me to use English. > > W dniu 20-02-25 o 19:46, Yves pisze: >> This discussion is hopeless, and 90% off topic. >> The only outcome of discussing languages here is that the status quo of >> using an English name for oceans remains. Given the amount of words spent >> off of this matter, this status quo is slowly reaching consensus, keep on! > Mi akordas kun vi, ke la diskuto iĝas en malĝusta direkto, anstataŭ pri nomoj > de internaciaj objektoj, ni diskutas pri lingvo de la diskuto. Pardonu, kial > nomoj de oceanoj estu en la angla, sed ne en la pola? > I agree with you that the discussion is going in the wrong direction, instead > of the names of international objects, we are discussing the language of the > discussion. Sorry, why should ocean names be in English but not in Polish? > > W dniu 20-02-25 o 19:46, Mario Frasca pisze: >> automated translations? they go through English, mostly, and they fail >> terribly when doing two passes. some languages are still beyond the reach >> of most translation algorithms. I would NOT rely on them. > Mi eblas komunikadi kun vi uzante tradukilojn Google kaj Yandex. > I can communicate with you using Google and Yandex translators. > > W dniu 20-02-25 o 19:59, Mateusz Konieczny pisze: >> Are you serious? >> >> "almost no one" is a weird claim, >> given that over 2 000 000 000 people >> managed. >> >> Over 600 000 000 did this as a >> foreign language. >> >> (And it is not like pronunciation is >> used on text-only mailing list!) > Infanoj pasigas kelkajn jarojn por lerni (kun mizera sukceso) la anglan, tiun > tempon ili povus pasigi por lerni Esperanton kaj aliajn profitdonajn > povsciadojn. Mi lernis ĝin por naŭ jaroj, povas lerni anglan Vikipedion, > teĥnikajn artikolojn, sed ne povas paroli kaj aŭskulti filmojn en ĝi. Post > lerni Esperanton en unu jaro mi sentas min pli lerta en ĝi ol en la angla. > Children spend a few years learning English (with disastrous success), this > time they could spend learning Esperanto and other profitable knowledge. I > have been learning it for nine years, can learn English Wikipedia, technical > articles, but cannot speak and listen to movies in it. After learning > Esperanto in one year, I feel more fluent in it than in English. > > W dniu 20-02-25 o 20:22, stevea pisze: >> I suggest we begin to diminish the importance of this thread being hijacked >> by Tomek's topic by not responding to him (with our reasonable >> disagreements), as we have repeated our points so many times that seems to >> be the only thing left for us to do. Perhaps that is the only reason Tomek >> persists: simply to argue. Enough already. Without any oxygen in the >> room, the flame can no longer burn. Perhaps we simply utter a brief phrase >> like "it's a settled matter" if the topic of Esperanto vs. English returns >> here. > MI NE VOLAS KVERELI, mi nur volas interkonseton! Mi volas montri al vi ke > angla ne estas la plej bona lingvo por komunikado, estas maljusta. > I DON'T WANT TO COME, I just want a deal! I want to show you that English is > not the best language for communication, it is unfair. > <tomek.vcf>_______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
