Bonsoir,
Voilà où on en est. S'il n'y a pas d'objections, je posterai le message
demain :
tl;dr
The French community has reviewed this proposed import but refuses it
as is, for various reasons listed below.
- A lot of "new" amenity=fuel are already in Osm
http://audit.osmz.ru/browse/navads_fuel/NVDS346_54a1ba689826bf65d6a31b83
http://audit.osmz.ru/browse/navads_fuel/NVDS368_545f7bfa82efa41a49637ace
The conflation tool should check the existing fuel stations in a larger
area.
- Most opening_hours are wrong.
A lot of fuel stations can be use 24/7 with a bank card. Moreover, when
some opening hours are present in your data set they usually represent
the opening hours of the supermarket, neither the 24/7 automatic station
nor the opening hour of the station when operated with personal for the
payment.
- Phone numbers :
When a fuel station belongs to a supermarket, the imported phone number
is the supermarket one. We don't think it's a useful information.
You could check whether a phone number is duplicated in the data (most
likely the number of the company) or already on another node in the
vicinity (most likely the number of the supermarket the station is
attached to). If you find something, please don't import the phone
number.
- Don't delete imported objects with ref:navads
Sorry but we disagree. Check yourself if you must ignore a POI before
adding it over and over in Osm.
Users should be able to remove a node that does not exist in reality
without looking for possible applications or imports that may want to
add the node over and over again in OSM. Please check whether the POI
should be ignored before importing it in an update.
- ref:navads
This ref tag is a private one. Nobody can use it. We understand that it
will be easier for you to update the fuel station, but if everybody
starts using their private tag, the database will become a mess.
- postal code
Why ? A postal code for a supermarket, a car's shop, it's ok, but on a
fuel station ?
We already have an open fuel station database. These data are included
in Osmose to let the contributors manually check each node.
Le 30/03/2018 à 01:44, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :
Moreover, when some opening hours are present in your data set they represent
the opening hours of the supermarket, neither the 24/7 automatic station nor
the o.h. of the station when operated with personal for the payement.
Jean-Yvon
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. März 2018 um 00:47 Uhr
Von: "Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr"
<osm.sanspourriel.935cdd9262.verdy_p#wanadoo...@ob.0sg.net>
An: "Discussions sur OSM en français" <talk-fr@openstreetmap.org>
Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Import station essence
Le 29 mars 2018 à 21:34, Stéphane Péneau <stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr> a
écrit :
Résumons :
tl;dr
It's better since you choose not to overwrite the existing opening_hours,
but the French community still refuse this import as is.
- A lot of "new" amenity=fuel are already in Osm
http://audit.osmz.ru/browse/navads_fuel/NVDS346_54a1ba689826bf65d6a31b83
http://audit.osmz.ru/browse/navads_fuel/NVDS368_545f7bfa82efa41a49637ace
Your conflation tool should check the existing fuel stations in a larger
area.
- Most opening_hours are wrong.
A lot of fuel stations can be use 24/7 with a bank card
Automated 24/7 services may be, but this is generally not available for all
services, just a few kinds of fuels. And these automats are also not very
friendly: you jsut insert your credit card, they immediately request an
authoirization for a large amount of money, which is locked on you credit
card limits (weekly or monthly) and also by your bank for some time, until
the station will finalize the transaction for the effective amount of fuel
you took.
And many drivers (notably the poorest ones) cannot use at all these
automats, or don't want to use it because of how they manage the
transaction: so they'll go to stations only on real opening hours where
only the effective amount to pay will be paid and taken on their credit
card, or they will be able to pay with cash (when their credit card has
exhauisted its weekly or montly maximum, for example on a few days after
they paid their house renting costs, or if they had to pay some other
important bill, even if for that they opted to take a credit).
A "24/7 automat" does not mean the station is open 24/7; so the
opening_hours should not apply to the presence of such automats which
should be completely ignored and tagged separately.
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