Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> writes:

> The ‘dry swamp’ has no apparent way to tag it. These will not be found
> in Europe, just as you don’t find deserts there.
>
> They have occasional water, not seasonal, not yearly but, say, between
> 5 to 20 years they have water. As such they do not satisfy the OSM
> swamp definitions at all.

They do not satisfy the science definition of wetland either.

> See https://theconversation.com/why-a-wetland-might-not-be-wet-103687
> for more on their characteristics, at least in Australia. OSM has
> access to a imagery source in Australia that maps them, so OSM has a
> legal source for them. What is needed is a tag for them, say,
> ‘natural=dry_swamp’???

It sounds like "Place with trees that is known to flood occasionally"
which is natural=wood (if natural).

> There are ~ 4,000 of these ‘natural=mud’ mapped so far that are in
> fact ‘dry swamps’. Note that the tag natural=mud  wiki says “This tag
> should not be used for areas with intermittent water cover which are
> water covered or completely dry most of the time.” So this tagging is
> incorrect as they are dry most of the time…


As always, I think OSM should look to the professional literature and
adopt their definitions, exactly, rather than trying to invent
categories.

For wetlands, the definitions in the US:

  
https://www.fws.gov/media/classification-wetlands-and-deepwater-habitats-united-states

A broader perspective:

  https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/wetland

I am unclear on if "Cowardin" is really an international thing; I more
or less expect it to be as that's how scientists do things.

More or less, a wetland is characterized by being wet for at least a
portion of the growing season in a normal year.   And, just because you
don't see standing water doesn't mean the soil is not wet.

So to me, "dry swamp" is fairly clearly not a wetland and the first
thing is to get a real science opinion about whether it is wetland or
not.  A quick search does not support the idea that the term is used in
English at all.  I would expect a mapper.au could just call their
government, the part that does conservation and wetland rules and talk
to someone.

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