I agree, let's get photos! :-)
However, I don't really expect the "grey zone" to be very wide. I guess
for the vast majority of cases there won't be disagreement between
different mountaineers on whether you need your hands or not. UIAA for
example doesn't go into any more detail, either:
https://theuiaa.org/mountaineering/uiaa-grades-for-rock-climbing/
I also don't expect it to hugely depend on the weather. (not at all
saying the difficulty stays the same under different conditions, just
whether you use your hands or not). But I'd use dry conditions as a
reference.
On 14/09/2022 23:48, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
That is why I ask
"How we would deal with such borderline cases?"
and ask for some guidelines rather than treating is as a blocker.
For example, giving photo examples of mountainous challenging paths
which are not highway=scramble would be helpful.
Sep 14, 2022, 23:43 by martianfreeloa...@posteo.net:
In the real world, you will *always* find borderline cases for *any*
property.
I don't think it should be an argument against a good proposal. If
it were, then it could be used against literally *any* tag on osm.
(and funnily it reliably does come up with any new proposal)
On 14/09/2022 22:59, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
The main problem here is that different people will need (or do
not need) to use hands,
it also heavily depends on weather and other considtion
How we would deal with such borderline cases?
via ferrata value is far more likely to succeed and I would
recommend trying to get it first
Sep 14, 2022, 11:42 by hungerb...@gmail.com:
It is proposed to create the tag highway=scramble as a base tag for
hiking paths, where use of hands is required, be that for keeping
balance or be it for pulling up.
Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page,
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/highway%3Dscramble
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/highway%3Dscramble>
Thank you in advance
Asa
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