The current tagging of man_made=water_well + pump=no/manual/powered is currently used by the HDM style, featured as the "Humanitarian" map layer on Openstreetmap.org, to determine what sort of icon should be shown for a water well. Examples:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5768737664#map=17/-8.54734/122.04898&layers=H - well with powered pump (and you can see 3 more nearby, one for each "dusun" or small "neighborhood" in this village) https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5768453092#map=18/-8.74465/122.07912&layers=H - lots of wells with no pump, represented by a bucket, also one powered well in this village. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6449466014#map=18/14.52455/121.05865&layers=H - water well with a manual pump in a school yard - also another one in the school to the east. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 9:19 PM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On the Talk page, the proposal author has now ignored two different > requests to change the new pump=values to a different key like > pump_mechanism, which would allow the continued use of pump=manual and > pump=powered. > > The author claims: "I find current tagging meaningless (with all due > respect to people who created it in the past)" > > This is absolutely disrespectful to the current mappers using this tag to > specify the type of water well found in lower-income countries. > > Perhaps you have never lived in a place where people get their drinking > and washing water from public or semi-public wells. In these places it is > quite important to know if a well is just a hole in the ground where you > need to use a bucket and rope to draw out water (pump=no), or if there is a > mechanical pump handle which you can physically operate, with some amount > of force, to pump out bursts of water (pump=manual). > > And the other type of well is "a well that is attached to pipes and a > motorized pump", which is usually powered by electricity but sometimes by a > diesel motor. In this type of well you don't have to use any physical > effort at all, you just flip a switch or open a faucet and water comes out > - as most Westerners are accustomed to enjoy in their own homes. > > But you will need electricity or fuel to operate it. So usually a > man_made=water_well + pump=powered is much more convenient, but when the > power goes out or there is no fuel, it can be nearly useless, while a > pump=manual is now much more helpful. > > I am quite frustrated that this proposal has gone forward even though > these concerns were brought up months ago on the Talk page. > > -- Joseph Eisenberg > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 4:23 AM François Lacombe < > fl.infosrese...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Mateusz, >> >> Proposal goes through different stages and I was proposing simpler >> driver=* instead of mechanical_driver. Comments have been made about the >> possible confusion with human drivers driving cars. >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal#Consider_drivers_as_pump_specific_devices >> However, drivers aren't specific to pumps at all. >> >> Current pump=* doesn't deal with pumps but with water wells and possible >> motors/engines installed to get water. I was confused by this in the very >> beginning. >> pump=powered mixes electric motors and gasoline engines which are way >> different. Situations may occur with emergency services coming with >> gasoline to run an electric motor for instance. >> The opportunity (not an obligation) to replace this particular value with >> more detailed and useful information is the goal of the proposal. >> >> One possible way to state the isn't manually operable is to use handle=no >> without any mechanical_driver (waiting to be defined by knowledgeable >> people) >> >> All the best >> >> François >> >> Le ven. 20 nov. 2020 à 12:22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < >> tagging@openstreetmap.org> a écrit : >> >>> I am not a fan of deprecating >>> pump=manual and replacing it with nearly impossible to remember and less >>> clear >>> mechanical_driver=manual >>> >>> Also, this proposal deprecates pump=powered without providing replacement >>> >>> Now to tag this info one is supposed to select value from >>> reciprocating_solenoid >>> combustion_engine >>> electric_motor >>> cylinder >>> turbine >>> >>> and no way to tag equivalent of pump=powered is provided. >>> >>> Mapper may be uninterested in or unable to get info about technical >>> detail, >>> but they should be still able to tag info that pump is not manually >>> operated. >>> >>> Nov 19, 2020, 20:05 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Tonight I'm pleased to announce the start of voting for the tagging >>> proposal about pumps >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal >>> >>> A lot of comments lead us to an interesting tagging for pumps devices, >>> water wells and wind pumps. Thank you to anyone involved in this review. >>> Some values are proposed to be deprecated as to classify pumps according >>> to their technologies and capabilities. >>> >>> Several contributors tested the proposed tags in real conditions and no >>> problem seems to remain. >>> >>> Feel free to give your opinion until December 3 >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> François >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >
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