----- Mensaje original ----- > De: "Alan Mackie" <aamac...@gmail.com> > Para: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Enviados: Martes, 4 de Agosto 2020 11:35:29 > Asunto: Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war
> On Tue, 4 Aug 2020, 14:19 , < mural...@montevideo.com.uy > wrote: >> ----- Mensaje original ----- >> > De: "Christoph Hormann" < o...@imagico.de > >> > Para: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" < >> > tagging@openstreetmap.org > >> > Enviados: Martes, 4 de Agosto 2020 9:14:32 >> > Asunto: Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war >> > Almost all of the arguments you bring up here are cultural or political >> > in nature. Discussing those will lead us nowhere. Hence my suggestion >> > to you in the other mail to consider this exclusively from the physical >> > geographic perspective. >> > The only point i could identify in your writing that is not >> > cultural/political in nature is the claim that the Rio de la Plata was >> > first mapped 6 years ago when the riverbank polygon was created. That >> > is not true. The Rio de la Plata was mapped long before - first >> > significant parts started in 2011 already, by end 2012 the mapping was >> > complete: >> > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WK9 >> > and it stayed tagged as natural=coastline until you changed that in: >> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20290034 >> > After that there were countless attempts to move up the coastline >> > closure again - all of which however were soon reverted. >> > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WKi >> > -- >> > Christoph Hormann >> > http://www.imagico.de/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tagging mailing list >> > Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> I linked several scientific studies that clearly shows and are verifiable >> geographic evidence that this is not an oceanic coast, its a riverbank and >> should not be tagged as coastline. Not cultural, not politics. I just linked >> the treaties to show that there are no political motivations in my thinking, >> because the political issues were already solved many years ago. Anyway, most >> limits, including natural ones are political facts, agreement between >> nations, >> also including defacto limits because war is also politics. >> It's only physical geographic perspective, its a riverbank, not an ocean, its >> inner fresh water. >> You are mixing things. The coastline is not the river. The waterway=river for >> Rio de la Plata was not mapped until i mapped it in >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19137685 in November 2013. That is 6 >> years, and will be 7 years in 3 months. Modify your query to search for >> waterway=river and you will see. >> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WKi . And no mapping is ever complete, at less >> here >> where e.g. new sediment islands keeps appearing, old islands increase it >> size, >> and nearby islands joins toghether. >> I changed the tagging because it was and it is wrong to tag this as >> coastline, >> it's a riverbank, as i have been saying for years. The coastline should be in >> the line because to the west there are inner waters and to the east the >> ocean. >> Regards, >> M. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Con el nuevo beneficio fiscal, tu facturación electrónica puede ser sin >> costo. >> Informate si aplicás aquí. >> mvdfactura.uy >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > There seems to be confusion here between mapping a feature and having it > named. > I suspect too much weight is being given to names generally in this discussion > even if this is not explicitly stated. Something OSM considers a bay may be > called a cove in the name, named tidal "creeks" are mapped as tidal_channel > etc. The name can't be the final arbiter of tagging else in the extreme case > we > would be rendering Rio de Janeiro in blue along with a whole chain of > coffeeshops. > In this case it is the physical feature that is in question not the extent of > the area that holds that name. The name can easily be tagged separately on the > agreed political boundary. In this case I think the problem is that some mappers wants a riverbank to be tagged as natural=coastline just for the render at lower zooms, but fail to recognize that fact. The fact is that is it is a river, very large river. But the coastline problem is much larger than this case, like Elbe River. 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