On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 15:19, Jmapb via Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> The current description of "approved" on > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process is: > > > A rule of thumb for enough support is 8 unanimous approval votes or at > least 10 votes with more than 74 % approval > Reading that, and that alone, abstentions count. 10 people vote yes, 5 people vote no, and 5 people vote to abstain. Therefore, of all the votes cast, only 50% approve. There are hundreds of people who could have voted, but of those that bothered to vote, 5 abstained. And that's the point: they bothered to vote in a way that was NOT "approve." They aren't in the silent hundreds who do not participate, they participate and they do NOT approve (which is not the same thing as disapproval). > The current description of "abstain" on > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Proposal_Page is: > > If you don't want to vote but have comments > That contradicts the implications of the "74%" sentence. And both contradict the technical meaning of abstention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstention because an abstention means that no vote is cast. In the tagging vote, what is referred to as an abstention is technically a spoilt vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoilt_vote In some jurisdictions, spoilt votes ARE counted, and it appears that in the past tagging votes have treated spoilt votes as if they count. > Someone who chooses "abstain" according to this template presumably > believes they are merely commenting, *not* voting. If they wanted their > vote to count as the equivalent to "no," they'd vote "no"... right? > And if they wanted to comment but not vote they'd add their comment to the talk page instead. Right? > Maybe the "abstain" option should be removed altogether. But in the > meantime it seems irregular to tally votes according to different rules > than those that were documented when the vote occurred. > Those rules are somewhat open to interpretation. It would be good to clarify them, if we can agree on what they actually mean and/or what they ought to mean (I have some doubts that we can). -- Paul
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